To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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Have you ever tried acting as a mediator between eating family members via Teams(often recorded) - it’s like working at the United Nations on steroids! “Cosy office jobs” LMFAO!!

Rightly, we live in a country that doesn't allow individuals to criminalise 13 yr olds willy nilly....

You sound a bit uninformed.

"Cat" isn't a gender, or a sex. I have cats, one male, one female. They're both cats. They don't think they're rabbits.

She claimed there are three sexes. There are only two.

The children used gender as a synonym for sex, as most people do. This is partly because a lot of people feel embarrassed about saying the word sex and partly because the trans activist movement persists in deliberately conflating sex and gender, and using the word gender in situations where it is appropriate to talk about sex (because talking about sex makes it clear that TWANW), so it's no wonder the average person is confused.

There might be hundreds of genders for all I know, or care. No one who thinks we should care can explain what a gender actually is or why anyone should give a shit.

I work with many students who have dinosaur or wolf personas. They are not allowed to bring them into the classroom but they can act however they want at breaks and at home.
Sorry but this is nonsense. I’m a parent to an autistic child who pretends to be a dinosaur. It’s damaging to pretend he actually is one. He needs to be supported in learning to interact with people and behave appropriately, not validated in his fantasy.

Any teacher on this thread who is saying that the girls are in the wrong and defending the teacher should leave the profession. There is a big difference between teaching and respecting others views and what this teacher did. If you can't see the difference you shouldn't be anywhere near children in a position of responsibility.

Teachers have a duty of care not to become like 1984.

If they fail in this duty then they absoluetely should be pulled up on this as individuals.

They can scream about their mortgages all they like. They shouldn't use that as an excuse as to why they are gaslighting children.

If this kid was bullying, then that STILL doesn't change the fact the teacher was STILL telling a child theres billions of genders. Thats like saying I know their religious beliefs are off but you must also believe them too because they are true rather than saying something about not having to believe yourself but the need to be respectful. But worse; the reason the kid is believing they are something they can't be is because they've been fed a load of shit in the first place. Stuff that is frankly a safeguarding issue in its own right. To then ask that everyone else be respectful of the legitimacy of the safeguarding fail and not speak the truth is even more unpalatable. To THEN say its homophobic and that the kid doing the recording should be forced to leave is downright abusive.

There is no justification for what happened in that classroom.

And yeah, that teacher has failed to do her job and she and the senior leadership team at that school, should be hauled over the coals over it. Its not ok on any level.

If your ideology is so illogical that you have to actively bully children into pretending to believe it then it's time to rethink your ideology and your career in teaching.

What the teacher said to those children was totally unacceptable.

And at a time when we are desparate for teachers, to feel like this is dreadful.

But its a safeguarding fail on multiple levels and I just don't see how its defendable. Its just not.

I’m actually heartened that teenage girls are starting to reject this ideology, any mention of gender ideology in schools should be balanced by a debate regarding the harm that this ideology has. Lies and ideology should not be presented as fact.

Bullying of people with mental health conditions should not be allowed and dealt with swiftly, but this does not involve the teacher giving misinformation, in turn bullying the pupils, lying and enforcing their own political ideology with threats

Teachers should be teaching kids about critical thinking, finances, self sufficiency, how to succeed within the current system etc etc , not indoctrinating and arguing with pupils when they disagree with an opinion about something which has no bearing on what they need to learn to support themselves through adulthood.

This was not a teaching moment, and this stuff should stay out of the classroom.

Why do you feel sorry for a person in a position of power criticising a child for stating scientific facts? That’s truly terrifying that a teacher is acting in that way.

No

Had the teacher said 'at this school we respect all pupils however they choose to identify and that personal opinions should be kept to yourself' then that would be one thing. Instead she said that they would be reported to the head for further indoctrination and if they don't believe in gender woo they can leave the school - that is where the line was crossed

The child has more critical thinking skills than the teacher. Well done that child!

the recording would have been just about forgivable to use as a challenge to the school, with a possible implied threat of leaking it further, but it wasn't acceptable to post it online.

the business about 'three sexes' was MAYBE acceptable from a PSHE teacher, maybe, though it was worrying. if it came from a science teacher then heads really need to roll.

Nah. There's a clear public interest in people knowing what kind of nonsense is being taught in schools.

"the business about 'three sexes' was MAYBE acceptable from a PSHE teacher, maybe, though it was worrying. if it came from a science teacher then heads really need to roll".

No - not teacher should be peddling myths and falsehoods at any child - not PSHE, science or anyone else.

I feel sorry for the girls in her care, being threatened, gaslit and bullied by a teacher.

This is what concerns you ?? Not the attempted re education of a child’s scientifically based views?

No one would have believed them if we had not heard the recording.

This - I'm not in favour of secret recording but I do wonder why this pupil felt need to.

I've recent experience of - not teachers- but school staff making allegations and by shear fluke able to disprove and few time proving a staff member lied - never had an apology and it dies down and starts up again. The assumption always is the school staff are in the right and professional but that's sadly not always the case.

Most of the misinformation - about sex/gender and around options post 16 we all ignore.

So I do wonder what the background is here.

And while I do have sympathy for teachers being put in an impossible situation by the DoE and the unions, it's possible to handle the issue without using it as a stick to try and coerce and threaten and shame students.

You don’t think calling someone unwell, crazy or saying that they belong in an asylum is offensive?

It was bullying someone who more than likely has MH or SEND (even if they didn’t there is no need for bullying or vile language).

I didn't hear any offensive language?? WHat are you talking about?

The girls were whistleblowing. They'd not have been listened to or believed without a recording.

Absolutely. They should be extremely proud of themselves.