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Vegan given butter in restaurant

262 replies

Loveanavocado · 18/06/2023 21:53

Went out for dinner this evening with dd’s.
dd1 has been a vegan for years. The rest of us are vegetarian, although I’m verging on veganism too tbh.

we went for dinner this evening, to our local. We often eat here and know the staff really well. So they know our dietary requirements.

this evening we ordered a dish and were all eating it. The waitress came over laughing and told us it had butter in it!!

dd1 was horrified and began to get upset. The waitress took the dish away and went to the kitchen. She returned and said “the kitchen are making another but they’ve got cross with me and asked why I told you it had butter in it!’

this has infuriated me!! Firstly given butter when told vegan. But even worse..told by the waitress that the kitchen would’ve not told the customer it had butter in it!!

AIBU?? What if dd had an allergy????

my dd2 has severe allergies (has had anaphylaxis a few times now!) so how am I ever going to trust them now??

I don’t know what to do! I don’t want to make a fuss as it’s our local in a very insular community

OP posts:
WhatADrabCarpet · 18/06/2023 22:43

Joking about there being butter in a vegan dish is appalling, let alone the fact that it happened, and I speak as an omnivore.

Just leave a bad review but don't expect to be welcomed there again.

AllyCart · 18/06/2023 22:46

Actually since January 2020 it was ruled that veganism is a "classified belief" which is one of the 9 protected characteristics listed under the 2010 equality act.

Only 'ethical veganism' and this is nothing to do with that. OP isn't even dietary vegan.

Didimum · 18/06/2023 22:46

Ponderingwindow · 18/06/2023 22:39

people with preferences trying to equate them to allergies which are actual requirements are annoying because it is extra work for the kitchen to make sure people with allergies are protected.

it can induce compliance fatigue when people pretend that their preference is a requirement.

even when I ask about my allergies, I make it clear they aren’t as serious as some people’s and do not require things like my dish being prepared in the special prep area if the restaurant has one because I want to save that level of effort and cleanup for the people who really need it. I am just trying to order dishes that don’t come with certain ingredients, not avoid any trace of cross-contamination, even though when it happens it is very unpleasant for me. There has to be a spectrum of protection and if we all ask for perfection, it isn’t going to happen for those that really need it.

If the kitchen can’t handle it then they shouldn’t offer the option. They did offer it.

mayorofcasterbridge · 18/06/2023 22:46

PuffinsRocks · 18/06/2023 22:13

This. I have a milk allergy and that could have killed me. How dare they laugh about giving butter to a vegan! I wouldn't go there again OP and I'd consider leaving them a review on Google as well so other people know they don't take dietary requirements seriously.

That's not the same thing at all, and presumably you inform waiting staff of your allergy every time.

A drop of butter won't kill an otherwise healthy vegan!

LilyTuesday · 18/06/2023 22:46

lljkk · 18/06/2023 22:28

nobody had a life-threatening experience. That didn't happen.

What do you want, OP? A grovelling apology from them? Guarantee they won't laugh at their own mistakes ever again? Vouchers, new management, online vilification, someone to get fired?

Patronise other establishments if you want.

Well, yes, all of the above is what I would expect.

7eleven · 18/06/2023 22:47

Imamumgetmeoutofhere · 18/06/2023 22:43

Actually since January 2020 it was ruled that veganism is a "classified belief" which is one of the 9 protected characteristics listed under the 2010 equality act.

So the OP and her DD have every right to be as angry and upset as they are

OP. For the laughing, not the mistake, I’d report this to the council who do their food inspection. It’s not just about having a clean kitchen, you have to demonstrate how you are taking responsibility for potential allergens.

BurningBothEnds · 18/06/2023 22:48

I’d definitely leave a bad review for their poor attitude in dealing with this. They’re risking losing business by doing this. I wouldn’t want to eat there.

PickAChew · 18/06/2023 22:49

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 18/06/2023 22:31

And vegan can be a shortcut way of saying no milk products. My dh is lactose intolerant but would often opt for a vegan dish as a way of getting dairy free. Fortunately for him a little dairy would be ok but he could be ill. When ordering it is not for the restaurant to decide to give you something different.

Same here. I'm not keen on paying for food that often leaves me in pain.

7eleven · 18/06/2023 22:50

BurningBothEnds · 18/06/2023 22:48

I’d definitely leave a bad review for their poor attitude in dealing with this. They’re risking losing business by doing this. I wouldn’t want to eat there.

I wouldn’t want to either. I often eat with a coeliac friend. An accidental whoopsadaisy, there’s bread crumbs in this would make her ill for days.

ejbaxa · 18/06/2023 22:50

Stop giving this place your money.

The waitress seems to be completely lacking the required skills for her job.

Lonejohny · 18/06/2023 22:50

Laughing can be a sign if nerves. Maybe she was nervous having to tell you.

TeaDrinkerAnonymous · 18/06/2023 22:51

As a previous owner/manager of a hotel/restaurant, I would absolutely want to know of your experience, not just as a valued customer but due to the potential legal implications of getting dietary requirements wrong. Allergens and other food requirements were an important training aspect for all of my team and I would be horrified if: 1 they made a mistake (which I know can happen as we're only human and 2 for laughing about it so nonchalant given how serious the consequences could be, it should matter not one bit whether it is an allergy, lifestyle choice or religion belief. Their attitude towards their mistake is awful.

Please email the manager or owner directly to let them know what happened during your visit, hopefully it can be remedied with a big of training, but would totally understand given your allergies if you never wanted to eat there again.

WillyLows · 18/06/2023 22:51

Am shocked by the response to this!

I think the restaurant have behaved really badly. It was a bad mistake, but compounded by an appalling attitude. A restaurant which is so flippant about someone's diet is not somewhere I would want to frequent. Would they laugh about feeding pork to a Muslim? I'm not surprised at all this makes you nervous OP with severe allergies in the family.

I think I'd have to say something to them.

Redebs · 18/06/2023 22:52

It's not up to restaurant staff to decide whether or not the dairy-free meal they agreed to provide was actually free of milk products. They can't play Russian Roulette with customers' health.

I do think it's worth reporting to your local health department. With this attitude, they might end up killing someone, like that restaurant that intentionally gave peanuts to a peanut allergy sufferer.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/06/2023 22:52

MCMLXXX · 18/06/2023 22:37

It's not some protected characteristic you know, it's just a preference.

Actually it is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and has been for a few years. 😊

Misogynistic abuse isn't a hate crime but veganism is under the Equalities Act? Wow.

However, OP, you didn't get what you asked for so you make the decision what you want to do about it. Don't eat there again, post a review, complain in writing. BTW laughing is often a nervous thing so I wouldn't be too focused on that.

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BurningBothEnds · 18/06/2023 22:52

Only 'ethical veganism' and this is nothing to do with that. OP isn't even dietary vegan.

Its OPs daughter.

The vegans I know are all ethical vegans.

Serena73 · 18/06/2023 22:53

I would email the manager and say how upset you were. At the very least, they need to have a discussion about how to make sure it doesn’t happen again to anyone.

BreatheAndFocus · 18/06/2023 22:55

Disgusting for them to have laughed about it! It shows they’re not taking it seriously. With that slapdash attitude, I wouldn’t trust them at all. People are vegan for all sorts of reasons, including religious. It’s not up to the restaurant staff to judge whether a dietary preference or need is justified or not. If they advertised this dish as vegan and it wasn’t, they could be prosecuted by trading standards.

Quite apart from that, it’s a very poor attitude to take. I’d leave a review to warn others.

Soapyspuds · 18/06/2023 22:55

I know better than a lot of folk, the magnitude of food allergies. I have a severe nut allergy

But you dont have a butter allergy right?

What did it say on the menu? Did it denote this as a vegan meal?

BluebellMay · 18/06/2023 22:56

So those who are commenting that they do not feel that serving someone something they did not order, just because it is a preference not an allergy, is something to make a fuss of. I wonder how they would feel to find out that they had been served horse/dog/cat instead of the lamb/beef/ pork they had ordered, as the meat they had ordered is surely just a preference, not an allergy, so no harm done.

Gracewithoutend · 18/06/2023 22:56

You all survived it so I don't think it needs to be made into a massive drama.
Complain to the pub manager. It's disrespectful of them.
Staff need training.
You don't trust them now so don't go back.

It's difficult to eat out with dietary requirements. I know. Do you remember Gordon Ramsay giving a vegetarian meat and just laughing?
Some people don't understand what vegetarianism and veganism actually is. I went to Holyrood House Palace and there were menus in the dining room from a state dinner held the night before. The vegetarian option was fish. 🙄

Buyyouflowers · 18/06/2023 22:56

Meh…. She wasn’t allergic to butter so can’t see the issue.

ChocolateCoveredCookie · 18/06/2023 22:57

Lonejohny · 18/06/2023 22:50

Laughing can be a sign if nerves. Maybe she was nervous having to tell you.

I was thinking this, I laugh with nerves and I can’t help it.

Tofuislovely · 18/06/2023 22:58

As I said earlier, is it ok to give a Muslim customer pork, or a Hindu customer beef? No. Quite obviously that is not ok. As a vegan, if a restaurant offers vegan food (and of course they are under absolutely no obligation to do so- but if they don't, I would choose to not eat there), I would expect that food to be vegan!