AIBU to be think that most women would be jailed for their abortions as so many of us embellish?

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1 in 3 women in this country obtain abortions at some point in their lives.

I sincerely believe that as abortion is a criminal act in the UK and to obtain one without being open to prosecution, a woman needs two doctors to permit it. because of this many many many women emphasise and maybe even embellish, or lie, to obtain that. Will it really mean you cannot afford your rent / mortgage and you'll be homeless? Probably not, but you just DO NOT want a(nother) baby. And actually a woman should be able to just NOT WANT a(nother) pregnancy or a(nother) child. Yet the woman is forced to say what needs to be said procure an abortion.

Therefore thousands of women every year would be jailed just like this woman has been.

The jailing was NOT because of the late term of the pregnancy, it was because she lied to obtain it and therefore she's in jail.

Lots and lots women have done that. Lots.

What are you on about?!

The baby was full term. It’s tragic. It’s hardly comparable is it?

And yes a woman should be able to abort for whatever reason up to the legal limit.

I disagree. I think she's in jail because she lied to obtain an abortion at a late stage of the pregnancy.

Rather than working out how to get two doctors to sign off, I would decriminalise abortion.

Projecting much?!

No.

Sh could have been jailed for doing what she did at 12 weeks. She lied to obtain the abortion and that is why she was jailed, not because of the gestational stage. That is fact.

The pregnancy was not full term. This is also fact.

Projecting:

Do you mean in the psychoanalytical sense? If so, no.

If you mean expressing thoughts - indeed, I am.

Prison because she aborted her baby so late.

Had there not been an utterly ridiculous situation where they were not scanning women requesting abortions it would never had happened.

You cannot get an abortion 'for any reason'. It needs to be one of four reasons. And I do think that many many women, if not most, women who obtain abortions are not at risk o f'grave'outcomes, but they just do not want the pregnancy. And so they are in the position where they have to talk it up. This is demeaning, but I think is probably done day in and day out because women are not allowed to just not want a pregnancy, or just not want a(nother).

Abortion Law Criteria
The Abortion Act 1967 states that an abortion is legal if it is performed by a registered medical practitioner (a doctor), and that it is authorised by two doctors, acting in good faith, on one (or more) of the following grounds (with each needing to agree that at least one and the same ground is met):

• (a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or
• (b) that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or
• (c) that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or
• (d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

Yeah. Naturally all women lie about everything in their lives and it’s not that life is shit for women at all. Everything is rosy, we’re all guaranteed good lives, we have full equal access to all jobs and merely are too lazy to fight men treating us like slags off all the time, there’s no such thing as rape anyway and the constant sexual harassment we all face from the age of 8 in my case, we’re all begging for sex and then trapping poor menz into pregnancy and then half of us decide we can’t be bothered and abort while the other half just make the men work for our babies.

Its fucking scary how men think, or rather don’t. The arrogance, entitlement, blind stupidity and blanket refusal to accept anything women say really shouldn’t be a surprise to me by now.

No. She is not in prison because the pregnancy was late term. It was because he lied. This is fact.

Also she didn't need to be in prison. The judge had no sentencing guidelines and could have given a sentence of 24 months, which would then has been suspended. Instead He handed down a custodial sentence of 4 months longer that could not be suspended, so now her three children, including one with additional needs, will be without their mother for up to 28 months.

I have had an abortion. I didn't need to lie be abuse I wasn't asked my reasons. I was asked if I was consenting without outside pressure and given support.

But no asked for a detailed reason.

Neither was a friend of mine, when I went with her.

My twins were born at the same gestational date as this woman's abortion. They were viable healthily babies and are now strong healthy children. I simply cannot justify an abortion at this stage.

I believe in a woman's right to chose but not at 32 weeks.

I don't get what you're saying. Look at the criteria you posted yourself. Look at a). Does it not say that the pregnancy must not exceed 24 weeks? By definition, an abortion of a foetus that exceeds 24 weeks gestation is therefore illegal and therefore subject to legal sanctions.

She made her choice. She has to live with the consequences.

That baby will be without a mother forever, because she chose to end their life.

If the point you're making here is that abortion should be entirely legalised and treated as a healthcare matter then I agree with you.

I also do not think that jailing this woman was in the public interest. Suspended sentence plus mandatory counselling would have been far more appropriate.

Since reason a) is always true, no lying is necessary

[If] continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

The risk of childbirth at full term is demonstrably greater than that of earlier, professionally procured, termination.

It would still be better were abortion decriminalised but in practice early termination, which accounts for the vast majority of cases, is in practice available on demand.

She was jailed because she lied to obtain pills to induce abortion after the legal limit. If she had been 15 weeks pregnant they would not have pursued a prosecution for lying.

Repeatedly saying "this is a fact" doesn't make something a fact.

By your own rational if she was jailed for lying then women would be jailed all the time.

This was all about the lie over gestation, because the baby was survivable

I was granted a termination because I said I'd kill myself if I didn't get one. At aged 17. My boyfriend at the time was a tosser. I was on the pill but he refused to wear a condom because it made his penis feel funny. As soon as I found out I was pregnant he fucked off, naturally. I had no support. I didn't have a job or home. I had no one holding my hand. I had health complications and literally felt like death or abortion were my options.

So kindly fuck off OP.

Ps they do not scan prior to abortion unless the woman or medical professional is concerned about date's especially with relevance to the 24 week limit (I know my friend needed to certify gestation if likely to be over 16 weeks)

That baby will be without a mother forever, because she chose to end their life.

Thats a really weird way of looking at it. That baby has no need of a mother now, because she ended its life. I cant get the right words, but thats just very odd

I think what the OP is actually saying is that we need free access to abortion rather than having to have 2 Drs approve.

Well said

as early as possible

as late as necessary

Lets not put blockers in the way

She deserves prison. Awful what she did. So cruel. It was to late. Get the baby adopted if she didn't want it.

Perhaps so, but there are much better ways of putting that: there are a couple of discussions on this already that somehow managed to not start from a place of misogyny.