AIBU to be think that most women would be jailed for their abortions as so many of us embellish?

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1 in 3 women in this country obtain abortions at some point in their lives.

I sincerely believe that as abortion is a criminal act in the UK and to obtain one without being open to prosecution, a woman needs two doctors to permit it. because of this many many many women emphasise and maybe even embellish, or lie, to obtain that. Will it really mean you cannot afford your rent / mortgage and you'll be homeless? Probably not, but you just DO NOT want a(nother) baby. And actually a woman should be able to just NOT WANT a(nother) pregnancy or a(nother) child. Yet the woman is forced to say what needs to be said procure an abortion.

Therefore thousands of women every year would be jailed just like this woman has been.

The jailing was NOT because of the late term of the pregnancy, it was because she lied to obtain it and therefore she's in jail.

Lots and lots women have done that. Lots.

I think you've misunderstood the OP's point.

She's arguing it should be easier to access abortion not harder. That just not wanting to be pregnant should be enough. That women shouldn't need to be in the terrible state you were to get an abortion. Surely that's a good thing? Why do you want her to fuck off?

Most women actually meet the criteria. Simply not wanting to continue with a pregnancy is a legitimate reason as it would/could be detrimental to the woman's mental health.

I am not really sure what your on about that woman illegally obtained an abortion to terminate a viable pregnancy. Do you think that was right ?

Repeatedly saying "That's a fact" doesn't actually make something a fact.

She was sent to prison because she broke the law.

all the woman i know who have had an abortion have had a scan to determine how far along they were as to get the correct treatment. One was around 5weeks and got a pill followed by another one been placed internally a few days later. An other was 11 or 12weeks and had to be put to sleep and had some sort of vacuum procedure. Another didnt even need to speak to a doctor she self referred online and just said she didn’t want another baby

I think what op is saying is that we should decriminalise abortion, which I understand is a fair position to hold. But what this woman did was poison a viable baby. That cannot be acceptable in any humane society. A cluster of cells is one thing. A viable baby is something else entirely.

I think it's an extremely tricky case. It's awful that her children have been left without a mother, and for the sake of those children, I would have preferred a judge to give a long but suspended sentence with full MH support (as if that exists in UK .) But there has to be a massive deterrent to any other woman thinking it's OK to lie about something like this. Especially given how many GP surgeries are keen to stay online and on the phone rather than returning to in-person appointments.

As far as I am aware, this is mainly down yo choice. Most women I know have a phone conversation then the pills arrive in the post. All have been offered a scan but none have accepted.

She was found guilty of the offence of administering poison with intent to procure a miscarriage. Because she lied to obtain the medication. And continued to lie for 3 years.

She is in jail because she pleaded not guilty and went to high court rather than sort it in the magistrates court.

Arrogant compulsive liars often find themselves in hot water or jail.

Will it really mean you cannot afford your rent / mortgage and you'll be homeless?

Given the very steep increase in abortions following the introduction of the two child cap I’d say very many women are in the position of an additional child creating real financial hardship, particularly given the number of men who disappear providing minimal to no financial support for their offspring.

Whether or not abortion should be easier to obtain, the woman broke the law.

She would have ended up with a much lengthier sentence had she given birth to a live 34 week baby then killed it

It was a nearly full term, viable baby. It's essentially infanticide. She deserves everything thrown at her.

This is great. I'm glad that was your experience as you found yourself in that position.

However it means the clinician was acting outside the law. Unfortunately, this is not every woman's experience as many clinicians act within the law (which they can do to protect themselves).

The law is the law. I have stated it above.

I've had one and never had to lie or exaggerate. I just didn't want a baby. All they did was made sure I wasn't being coerced. They did do a scan to determine the correct procedure but I wasn't made to look at it.

I do agree that it should be decriminalized.

I feel sad for this woman, and I feel sorry for her children knowing their mother has to go to prison for this.

As early as possible, as late as necessary. That’s it.

Maybe I think abortion should be decriminalised.

But what I am actually saying it I think most women who go for abortions do not fall within the legal conditions, and therefore when asked (if they are asked, which they must be by law) they do not tell the absolute truth.

That is also the case for this woman and she is in jail for up to 28 months.

Likewise.

34 weeks OP. It's appalling.

Agreed that women face the brunt of economic downturns,

No they weren’t. You don’t have to prove you need an abortion to get one.

if you need want one, you already meet the term b in your list. Carrying and giving birth to a child you don’t want does put your mental health at risk.

Yes they do

I agree with the general point the OP is making, which is that it should be enough for a woman to not want a baby. She shouldn't have to claim financial hardship, mental health etc.

I assume the woman in this case was unable to obtain an earlier abortion due to lockdown so ended up feeling she had no choice but to take this drastic action, she should never have been put in that situation.

OP is NOT saying that at all!!! OP wants ALL women who have an abortion because they simply don’t want the baby INPRISONED!

I'm not sure you could have made your point less clear if you'd tried

How common is it for a doctor to not agree to a termination?

No, @Luxell934

OP is saying that most women have been obliged to lie to get an abortion, and so most women could be imprisoned. She doesn't think they should be, she's warning us that the law as it stands criminalises women.

I understand her position but don't think this argument is particularly helpful.

She’s in prison because she did it herself.

if she’d gone to the dr she’d likely have been permitted an abortion. Unpalatable as it is for many, case law supports late term abortion where mental rather than physical health is at risk.

it’s perverse and she shouldn’t have been prosecuted.

But it’s not a FACT

you're wrong - she was jailed because she terminated a pregnancy after the legal limit