To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off

[Dogsitterwoes]

AIBU. No, let them lecture you
YANBU - Yes, be rude to them

I'm in my 50s and was a long term smoker. I switched to vaping in January. I am considerate and only vape outdoors and move away from other people or into a smoking area. People sometimes
comment, there's a brief convo around my giving up smoking, and 9 out of 10 respond nicely in a 'well done you' kind of way.

The 1 out of 10 though start lecturing me on the evils of vaping. These can be complete strangers, or acquaintances. They go on and on.
Usual themes:

1. Just as bad for you or worse for you than smoking.
2. Children are vaping.
3. Environmental impact of disposables.

I respond politely. I acknowledge there is a concern around all of this, and
1 - I know they aren't exactly good for me but I think they are not as bad as cigarettes, and it's my intension to also stop vaping this year
2 - I agree the manufacturer's should stop targeting non-smokers with the sweet flavours
3 - I agree, I use a rechargeable, but there's probably a lot more all of us could be doing for the environment.

But they do not let it drop. I've literally been lectured at on and on.

YANBU to stop being polite after my initial response and tell them that if I stopped vaping today, I'd be back on the fags tomorrow so mind their own fucking business?

This is so unhelpful. Vaping is massively better for you than smoking. Imagine being this self righteous.

You’re not someone I care about. So if you want to risk your life on untested chemicals that’s your problem - I don’t care.

Where I do care is when foolish people like you influence my kids or people I care about. Which is why I want vaping to be treated exactly like smoking is - age limits, no adverts, not allowed in public or indoors.

vaping (and inhaling second hand vape smoke) is suspected to be one of the reasons why lung cancer has risen by 20% in the under 30s.

Evidence of this please

I must have missed the bit where she said she was trying to influence your kids and people you care about. Is the OP actively making other people take up vaping?!

Also, y’know, RTFT.

The evidence is coming. This is just the first

https://dailynews.ascopubs.org/do/impact-e-cigarettes-cancer-and-treatment-questions-and-controversies

Do you have any UK-related studies please? UK e-liquid is more heavily regulated and doesn’t contain the chemical compounds mentioned in the article.
Also, where is the other evidence and how do you know it is coming?

Oh ffs, first off RTFT.
This post is so self righteous, petty, small minded and downright dickish.
If anyone genuinely wants to have an actual debate then great, but all the anti vaping posts have been petty attacks lacking any substance other than showing just how small minded and ignorant the poster is

I mean, yeah, this!

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Oh good grief we are now in full-on Brandolini territory 😭 I suppose it's a step up from pigeon chess but still ...

I'm only about 3 paragraphs into this article, which cites 28 different studies, and in one single paragraph:

The authors claim ecigarettes caused the EVALI outbreak in the US (this was the 2019 cluster of serious lung disease caused by vitamin E acetate in black market THC vapes.)

This is false and these authors know it is false. There is NO WAY any scientists working in this area in 2022 could not know that. This is deliberate misinformation and extremely irresponsible. Unfortunately it's not uncommon from US public health orgs.

https://clivebates.com/e-cigarette-risk-perceptions-an-american-crime-scene/

They claim that nicotine is carcinogenic. This is false. From Cancer Research UK:

Does nicotine cause cancer?
Nicotine is the chemical that makes cigarettes addictive. But it is not responsible for the harmful effects of smoking, and nicotine does not cause cancer. People have safely used nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) to stop smoking for many years. Nicotine replacement therapy is prescribed by doctors or is available from pharmacies.

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful

Obvious really when you think about it - where are all the gum and patch cancer deaths?

They cite that ridiculous formaldehyde study from 2015 when they machine-vaped a CE4 clearomiser with a 2.1ohm coil at 12 watts - that's about twice the power that kind of coil can take without burning. Nobody ever vaped those shitty little clearos like that.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/confirmed-formaldehyde-study-conducted.html

Then there's the same aldehyde and acrolein studies that have been discussed previously and then our old friend diacetyl (POPCORN LUNG!!1!!?!) makes an appearance 😃🏆

That's all in about half of one paragraph.

I skipped over the dubious youth vaping stats in the first paragraph because despite drilling down two layers of references I still can't work out where they come from, but I will eat my hat if those stats are regular vapers and don't include children who ever tried a puff of their friend's vape once. Much more reliable and up-to-date UK youth vaping stats have been posted upthread, I don't think it's too far back. The gist is that more children are experimenting with vaping in the UK (because disposables) but there is no huge increase in regular use.

That's enough for me for now, I don't have the energy to read any further.

If you want to pick through and find the bit where it says vaping (and inhaling second hand vape smoke [sic]) is suspected to be one of the reasons why lung cancer has risen by 20% in the under 30s - and point me to the supporting references - then I will happily engage.

Otherwise no thank you, I'm off for a glass of gin 🍸

Perfection in a post, again 🫡

The interesting thing about these boxes is not that you can sneer at people who use them as if they were not human beings.

The interesting thing about them is that they are extremely well ventilated and this is a technology that many pubs wanted to install for their smoking customers instead of having to ban all smoking indoors. They weren't allowed to do so because the main purpose of the smoke free laws was not protection from second hand smoke it was the denormalisation of smoking. The important thing was the banishment of smokers.

So lots of customers stayed home and smoked around their loved ones instead of going to the pub and a HUGE number of pubs closed, which is a shame because many were historical landmarks.

Occasional summer pub visitors started whinging about regulars smoking in pub gardens, where they had been sent, but their twice yearly visits when the sun came out could not make up for the loss of regular custom.

One huge missed opportunity is that because of those decisions back in 2007 we did not have a well-developed, mass produced, reasonably priced solution to poorly ventilated indoor spaces in 2020 when covid hit. That could so easily have turned out different.

I have also recently travelled and I didn't see any 'camel boxes' but they had a really posh swanky 'cigar lounge' in the duty free which works the same. It was like a little book-lined study with leather sofas but with big glass sliding doors into the main shop.

This sounds amazing! I have no issue people doing what they want in their own space but I do have a problem with vapers and smokers polluting my clean air

Ugh gross! And how selfish!

I couldn’t agree more!

Absolutely this and I don’t want myself or my children at risk from other people vaping their rubbish

This is what I keep saying but I just keep get insulted over it - so much ‘evidence’ on the way!

Aaand back to pigeon chess 🙄

We should also ban things like cheeseburgers and desserts in public IMO. If I had kids I wouldn't want them being encouraged to get fat.

Why did you put evidence in quotation marks? That's what you do when you disbelieve the evidence.

I would cheerfully write 'evidence' in quotes regarding what @Wenfy has supplied to this thread because I disbelieve her 'evidence'. I'm surprised to see you doing it though.

Are you sure you are not a bot?

(general 'you')

It is in quotation marks because everyone keeps asking to see the ‘evidence’ not because I disbelieve it - I very much believe it and know it to be true

Yabu you've not given up smoking at all and it's awful for your health and those that have to be around you.

Exactly!