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What an idiot (me)

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BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:17

I sold my motorhome to some passers-by (it was old, and not used much). I was knocked down on the price I asked.
They said they were "touring" to buy up unwanted motorhomes to take back (to Ireland) for Ukrainians who had nowhere to live/sleep.
They were in a big shiny brand new pick-up, and at first I was dealing with one Irish giant, then one-by-one, three more got out (all brothers). And the 7y.o. son of one of them. Sweet.

Without tax, they put trade plates on and said that they would have a lorry come to transport it, but did drive it away off down the road; it had started well as new battery in April. But I had o real knowledge of it's mechanical soundness (it would overheat if driven stop-start in heat I remember.)
Bank transfer/FP done while they were there.

Two hours later I get a call (fortunately one of them had taken my number), and apparently it had blown up on the "motorway" (I think, the A1), so the discussion was what did I want to do, but also they also spoke to someone who said it was a heap of shit, but it could go to a "yard"/for spares/be fixed (new engine, gearbox etc etc) at great cost.

They (I was not actually sure which brother I was speaking to; they all sounded like one another....) in the end, said - unless I misunderstood - that they would send it for scrap/spares to a nearby yard (with "a man") and I would send their money back - although not the full amount, "for my trouble". (Also had given me 10% in cash - which I didn't know what to do with....)

When I tried to send the agreed amount, the Bank held it up and I had to speak to Fraud - who said, 1) Buyer Beware - so I was not obliged to given them ANY of the money back (!!!!), 2) The motorhome is probably quite all right, and they are looking to get even more of a bargain.....
They also asked me if I felt intimidated or threatened, or was worried that there would be comeback if I stood my ground..... And I said I was only worried about (in my imagination) what would happen if I didn't.

Anyway the Bank lifted the fraud restriction (by now I had had three messages....) and I decided best to just send all the money back.

And I did. And got a call from one of the brothers (NOT the one who said I didn't need to give it all back) and he didn't even mention the fact I had sent everything to them, so now no motorhome (a mixed blessing, possibly?) and none of the money.... I asked him where "he" was (I think they had split up in various directions, and the one I was speaking to was not the one who had been in the motorhome), and he was on the way to Scotland, but the motorhome broke down in Yorkshire. I also struggled with the accents (proper proper Irish, which I do like), so didn't even really push it, trying to find out what and where. I know I am a fool.

Does anyone think I have been suckered? (I do. And the Fraud guy at the Bank thought I was - and that was before I returned the money.)

There is waaaay more backstory to this but I don't want to ramble, and have someone tell me it's too long, or too complicated, or simply not interesting enough to read.

OP posts:
SophiaElise · 16/06/2023 19:20

Yes you have. Sorry!

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/06/2023 19:20

Er. Yes.

Your motorhome is likely to be listed for sale in the next few days.

Why on earth did you send them back the money, you've just given them a free motorhome. I do not understand why when told quite clearly you've no obligation even if it were true... that you'd give the money back?

UnsolicitedOpinions · 16/06/2023 19:21

Yes, of course you have been. Why didn’t you listen to the fraud person from your bank?

Whatkindofuckeryisthis · 16/06/2023 19:22

Jesus wow! Erm yes.. they’ve scared you in to giving them the money back for a motor home that’s probably fine and will be sold on! They know you would be intimidated and send the money back. Bit late now but I hope you didn’t lose a lot?!

purpleme12 · 16/06/2023 19:24

Yes cos you don't have the motorhome or the money!
If you're sending the money back you should have made them give the motorhome back!

UnsolicitedOpinions · 16/06/2023 19:24

Well, she lost a motor home!

OP - did you pay them back the cash part of the money by bank transfer as well?

The cash could be fake or using you to launder it.

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 16/06/2023 19:25

purpleme12 · 16/06/2023 19:24

Yes cos you don't have the motorhome or the money!
If you're sending the money back you should have made them give the motorhome back!

How would she make them?🙄😂

SandandSky · 16/06/2023 19:26

Why on earth did you send the money back!?

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/06/2023 19:26

Um, you did check that their money actually landed in your bank, and that it was therefore that money you sent back?

Only some will appear to do a bank transfer and show you on their phone but its NOT real, the money hasn't been sent to you. So when you refund, thats YOUR money.

If thats whats happened then you've PAID them to steal your motorhome.

CountTo10 · 16/06/2023 19:27

Of course you have!

They bought it as seen so irrelevant that it broke down. They weren't entitled to any money back as stated by the Fraud man. They also had a pick up truck with them so no idea why they needed to drive it all (other than to pretend to you it had broken down whilst being driven).

As PP said it'll be on sale on line in a couple of days.

Nevermind31 · 16/06/2023 19:27

Why would you send them back the money after the fraud person advised you not to???

BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:27

I know - I did just want to hear views though, even if it is like being slapped with a wet fish.
I could cry, although as much for what the - admittedly, old - motorhome represented, as for my own stupidity.

OP posts:
BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:29

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/06/2023 19:26

Um, you did check that their money actually landed in your bank, and that it was therefore that money you sent back?

Only some will appear to do a bank transfer and show you on their phone but its NOT real, the money hasn't been sent to you. So when you refund, thats YOUR money.

If thats whats happened then you've PAID them to steal your motorhome.

It was their money. I had checked that much before everything went belly up.

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BlondeFool · 16/06/2023 19:29

Your bank advised against sending the money back 🤷‍♀️ why on earth didn't you listen and block the number?! Crazy.

Cakeorchocolate · 16/06/2023 19:31

Of course you have. Why why why would you agree to sell and then give them the money back too.

My SIL was only saying at the weekend that surely no one gets suckered by them but here you are.

It sucks!

dwightkurtschrute · 16/06/2023 19:31

Wow 😂
This is a whole new level of gullible.

BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:32

CountTo10 · 16/06/2023 19:27

Of course you have!

They bought it as seen so irrelevant that it broke down. They weren't entitled to any money back as stated by the Fraud man. They also had a pick up truck with them so no idea why they needed to drive it all (other than to pretend to you it had broken down whilst being driven).

As PP said it'll be on sale on line in a couple of days.

When I say pick-up, I mean one of those big "trucks" - shiny red Toyota - not something that the motorhome (even though small) could have been loaded onto, although as I said, the motorhome it started well, ran quietly, and had been driven a shortish journey not long ago.

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ConstitutionHill · 16/06/2023 19:32

I guess OP sent the money back as they felt intimidated and these bastards knew where they live. I'm sorry OP!

BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:33

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purpleme12 · 16/06/2023 19:34

Weveforgottenwhoweare · 16/06/2023 19:25

How would she make them?🙄😂

Fucks sake.
I do apologise again for this reply

BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:35

UnsolicitedOpinions · 16/06/2023 19:24

Well, she lost a motor home!

OP - did you pay them back the cash part of the money by bank transfer as well?

The cash could be fake or using you to launder it.

The cash notes all look very fresh.
As I said, the cash is 10%. There is no way to give that to them.

OP posts:
TheInterceptor · 16/06/2023 19:35

I would call the police and declare it stolen.

BadMotorhomeParent · 16/06/2023 19:36

dwightkurtschrute · 16/06/2023 19:31

Wow 😂
This is a whole new level of gullible.

I know.😥

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WiddlinDiddlin · 16/06/2023 19:37

Yep speak to the police, say you were intimidated into giving back the money, but I doubt you'll see it again having chosen to give it back and the intimidation based purely on their size and them knowing your address (though I can see why that was intimidating).

UnsolicitedOpinions · 16/06/2023 19:37

If they contact you again to ask for the cash element back as a bank transfer, for god’s sake don’t do it!