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Shark Attack

525 replies

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/06/2023 17:46

Nice to see that the shark that killed a swimmer in Egypt was caught and beaten to death on the beach.

<Slow handclap>

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PoeAFighterAResistanceFighter · 09/06/2023 19:37

Elevel · 09/06/2023 19:35

Yes, because everyone on this thread hasn't completely eliminated any degree of animal suffering in their lives, they shouldn't be allowed to say that "an eye for an eye", as this was, is wrong.

No, it's because your actions directly lead to this scenario.
People eat fish. Sharks have no food. Sharks eat people.
None of you seem very concerned about natural behaviour when you support am industry that hauls sharks natural food source out the ocean.

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:38

@PoeAFighterAResistanceFighter I think you have confused my posts. I'm not the one moralising..

LunaMay · 09/06/2023 19:38

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:36

Humans as a species are so entitled we think our desire to swim in the ocean (rather than a pool or lake) outweighs the lives of other animals and gives us the right to kill them.

Er Crocs can be in lakes...
I don't think everyone constructing their own pools is better for the environment.

I don't understand this entitlement point. It's not entitlement to go into the sea. @Bananananananananana so you don't eat any animals or use anything that has been shipped from abroad? unlikely!

Gators go in pools right?

Bananananananananana · 09/06/2023 19:38

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:36

Humans as a species are so entitled we think our desire to swim in the ocean (rather than a pool or lake) outweighs the lives of other animals and gives us the right to kill them.

Er Crocs can be in lakes...
I don't think everyone constructing their own pools is better for the environment.

I don't understand this entitlement point. It's not entitlement to go into the sea. @Bananananananananana so you don't eat any animals or use anything that has been shipped from abroad? unlikely!

I try to eat ethically where possible after reading a philospher's take.

Am i supposed to never have an opinion on unnecessary suffering because I eat meat? Can I kick puppies then? I eat meat so it's all the same.

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:38

None of you seem very concerned about natural behaviour when you support am industry that hauls sharks natural food source out the ocean.

Bingo!

SkaffenSma · 09/06/2023 19:39

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/06/2023 19:39

I grew up in Florida where there were lots of things in all the bodies of water that could kill you- sharks/ gators/ water moccasins/ jelly fish etc.

I know, Boudicasbeard; I spend a lot of time there and often wonder why visitors think it's such a good idea to swim in the Gulf at sunset Hmm

It would still be very rare to actually be attacked, never mind killed, but all the same it seems unwise to increase the risks - though perhaps not as unwise as the lady who lost an arm clearing reeds in a known gator habitat

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:40

@Bananananananananana I don't think one person had said on the thread that the way the shark was killed was right. However some of us are more aware than others that we are just as much a part of the problem so therefore shouldn't be so quick to judge. You do you though

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:41

@LunaMay yep they do.

Lovemusic33 · 09/06/2023 19:41

I agree with those who say that the sea is their territory. We don’t need to be in the sea swimming, surfing etc, we chose to do it and we know the risks. Sharks live in the sea and need to be there.

I do go in the sea (at my own risk) and if I was to get attacked by a shark I wouldn’t want it killed, I would want people to respect the fact it lives in the sea and I was in its territory.

Please tell me why a sharks life is worth less than a human?

ClaraThePigeon · 09/06/2023 19:41

And you have obviously never seen a gator attack in real life- otherwise you wouldn’t be so flippant. Imagine your life but every walk by a river or lake involved always being on the look out for being lunch. Gators feel no pity. As they showed when they took that four year old at Disney a few years ago.

Again I have friends in Florida, they take common sense precautions around lakes and beaches and accept that they don't live in a sanitised world where only humans matter. And again considering the prominent gun culture I'd be more concerned about that, looking at the Hollywood boardwalk incident the other week where innocent bystanders including a baby were injured and the Parkland shootings to name but two.

SilenceOfTheGoats · 09/06/2023 19:42

Greensleeves · 09/06/2023 18:15

The poor creature was dragged out of the sea and literally punched/kicked to death. It will have died slowly, painfully and in utter terror. For engaging in its natural behaviour in its own habitat.

These creatures are endangered ffs. Not that it would be acceptable if they weren't! If you don't want to run the risk of being predated on by sea creatures, stay out of the fucking sea.

100%

Elevel · 09/06/2023 19:42

PoeAFighterAResistanceFighter · 09/06/2023 19:37

No, it's because your actions directly lead to this scenario.
People eat fish. Sharks have no food. Sharks eat people.
None of you seem very concerned about natural behaviour when you support am industry that hauls sharks natural food source out the ocean.

My actions? I'm not sure how much my Quorn lasagne suffered for my dinner but I'll bear that in mind.
This is why I don't announce my diet most of the time, other vegetarians/vegans like to get on their high horse and assume. I was brought up vegetarian so have never actually eaten meat, probably mostly out of habit as not sure my gut would take to it now. Does that make me more worthy of an opinion on this than you?
Perhaps accept that people do what they can than jump down their throats for thinking this is wrong. Or would you rather they talked about how great it was the shark got what was coming to it?!

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:42

Am i supposed to never have an opinion on unnecessary suffering because I eat meat?

I think most of us have more sympathy for the unnecessary suffering of the man & his family who saw it as opposed to the shark. 🤷🏻‍♀️

VapeHelp · 09/06/2023 19:42

“Interesting fact: a shark will only attack you if you’re wet”

~ Sean Lock (RIP)

Bananananananananana · 09/06/2023 19:43

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:40

@Bananananananananana I don't think one person had said on the thread that the way the shark was killed was right. However some of us are more aware than others that we are just as much a part of the problem so therefore shouldn't be so quick to judge. You do you though

Well then. I don't think it's right, nor do you. That's fine then.

ClaraThePigeon · 09/06/2023 19:43

ago.
I know of Bethany, there was a film called soul surfer about her attack and recovery. I'm not sure she's a passionate advocate for shark welfare but she respects them and doesn't blame them despite her injuries. I was always really into sharks growing up, I've read a few accounts that are similar to hers, not about advocating for welfare of sharks but definitely not blaming them.*

I've already linked to it but I'll do so again.

www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2019/04/17/shark-attack-survivors-emerge-as-unlikely-allies-in-conservation-efforts

The group is literally called Shark Attack Survivors For Shark Conservation.

SilenceOfTheGoats · 09/06/2023 19:44

Once again, humans and their entitlement.

#Teamjaws because I wouldn't go frolicking in their home and expect them to be welcoming.

Bananananananananana · 09/06/2023 19:44

troubg · 09/06/2023 19:42

Am i supposed to never have an opinion on unnecessary suffering because I eat meat?

I think most of us have more sympathy for the unnecessary suffering of the man & his family who saw it as opposed to the shark. 🤷🏻‍♀️

There's not a finite amount of compassion in the world. It's clearly a horrific video, as is the shark one.

Megifer · 09/06/2023 19:45

Hols8 · 09/06/2023 19:30

I quite liked the idea of a holiday in Egypt before but now I definitely don’t intend to ever go. And shark-infested waters has never put me off a holiday destination in the past. Animal cruelty does though.

Same, although it was the hoarde of shouting loud, aggressive men all braying around the shark thats put me off more tbh as I'd never go in the sea

Hols8 · 09/06/2023 19:45

ReleasetheCrackHen · 09/06/2023 18:06

It was aTiger shark and sadly once they start attacking AND eating humans, they keep coming back for more human.

It’s not much different from putting down a dangerous dog.

“It’s not much different from putting down a dangerous dog.”

It wasn’t “put down”, though. As much as I feel for the victim and the family he’s left behind, the cruelty the shark attack resulted in was unnecessary and barbaric.

Emotionalsupportviper · 09/06/2023 19:46

Thesharkradar · 09/06/2023 18:01

Well, they should have at least given the shark a fair trial
Isnt that what we used to do here, back in the 13th century, put animals on trial?
obviously we now appreciate that animals have no capacity to make moral choices etc....but not in Egypt?
(I hoped this was a humorous thread about vacuum cleaners)

(I hoped this was a humorous thread about vacuum cleaners)

That's what I was expecting, too, @Thesharkradar

coronabeer · 09/06/2023 19:46

Dooopylally · 09/06/2023 19:30

I do hope everyone posting (quite callously, imo) about the death of this man is a vegan.
I'm a vegetarian but am well aware that my life still involves a degree of animal suffering. In any life or death situation I'd still prioritise human life.

I’m a vegan, so presumably I’m allowed to comment?

I think this case draws particular revulsion because the shark wasn’t killed for its meat, but as some sort of revenge punishment. (If it were just about human safety, it could have been humanely dispatched, not tortured to death on a beach).

PoeAFighterAResistanceFighter · 09/06/2023 19:46

Elevel · 09/06/2023 19:42

My actions? I'm not sure how much my Quorn lasagne suffered for my dinner but I'll bear that in mind.
This is why I don't announce my diet most of the time, other vegetarians/vegans like to get on their high horse and assume. I was brought up vegetarian so have never actually eaten meat, probably mostly out of habit as not sure my gut would take to it now. Does that make me more worthy of an opinion on this than you?
Perhaps accept that people do what they can than jump down their throats for thinking this is wrong. Or would you rather they talked about how great it was the shark got what was coming to it?!

I don't normally feel the need to announce either. But the absolute hypocrisy here is galling. It feels a bit racist to point fingers for killing a shark in the exact same way pretty much fish are killed.

I don't care that you eat Quorn. The majority of the moralising twits on this thread don't. That's kinda the point.

I'd rather see a thread where people showed respect to the human and talked about how they could contribute to less destructive habits that lead to this, but I know that's fantasy land.

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