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Would you let nanny do this ?

147 replies

MILha · 09/06/2023 09:31

Nanny has been with us several months now. She looks after our two small children. Older one is at nursery most days and younger one is at home with nanny all of the days.

She asked to go and visit her family for the day next week and wants to take my kids. It's an hour drive away and I don't know her family.

Would others who have had a nanny be ok with this ?

She's taken my kids to nearby softplay / the park / for lunch with her boyfriend/ a friend/ her grandma.

I don't love it, as i don't know the people she's meeting with. It's happened a few times but I haven't been massively comfortable with it I don't know if I'm being too much. I don't mind so much in softplay, as she will need a hand with both of them ( but I would rather know who she's going with ).

I think taking the kids an hour away to go into homes of people I don't know is a bit problematic for me. I know they're her family, but I am not comfortable with it.

Is this me being too much ?

OP posts:
BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2023 11:51

But it’s not a nursery is it? So what’s the point of that argument? And it’s not like she’s doing it all day every day or leaving them tied up outside a drug den while she goes inside to get high.

As for doing errands in personal time, as assume the op will be happy for the nanny to drop the present off on her break then? No? I thought not!

I speak as someone who employed nannies for 10 years.

MILha · 21/06/2023 11:53

BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2023 11:51

But it’s not a nursery is it? So what’s the point of that argument? And it’s not like she’s doing it all day every day or leaving them tied up outside a drug den while she goes inside to get high.

As for doing errands in personal time, as assume the op will be happy for the nanny to drop the present off on her break then? No? I thought not!

I speak as someone who employed nannies for 10 years.

I'm happy for her to go whenever. But without my kids. I have no problem with her running errands in the day when she needs to. That's normal, just don't need to take the kids.

OP posts:
bluefluffychair · 21/06/2023 12:07

Totally unprofessional all these requests. Had a nanny for 5 years. Never once had a request to see family in work time. They can have a usual leave for that.

I would not have been happy at all. Plenty of babies out there that wouldn't do this.

bluefluffychair · 21/06/2023 12:07

Annual not usual...

bluefluffychair · 21/06/2023 12:07

Nannies not babies!!!

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 12:09

BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2023 11:51

But it’s not a nursery is it? So what’s the point of that argument? And it’s not like she’s doing it all day every day or leaving them tied up outside a drug den while she goes inside to get high.

As for doing errands in personal time, as assume the op will be happy for the nanny to drop the present off on her break then? No? I thought not!

I speak as someone who employed nannies for 10 years.

So nursery staff can’t/shouldn’t go on dates and run errands while being paid to care for your child, but the nanny can? Why?

I was a nanny. If I had to drop off a present I did it during my non working hours like I did with any other job. I didn’t expect to be paid to do it!

BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2023 12:14

Because a nanny and a nursery are two completely different childcare settings. Obviously. It's like the difference between a teacher who can't just "nip out in the day" and an office worker, who maybe can (depending on their work). I'm not sure why I need to explain that?

karmakameleon · 21/06/2023 12:16

So much of this is down to how long the errand would take. If nanny needs to pop out somewhere local and it would take 20 min I wouldn’t have any issues. But if her mum is an hours drive away (and it sounds like her family isn’t close by) I’d object to my children having a long drive for her benefit. Obviously in an emergency I’d accommodate but this isn’t it.

MrsMikeDrop · 21/06/2023 12:34

MILha · 21/06/2023 11:40

So I didn't let nanny take them to see her family.

She hasn't really asked to take them places since, which is good.

Today she did ask if she could take youngest to drop off a present for her mum.. as it's her birthday. I said she can go and do that and I'll look after the baby. But she said it's ok she'll do it later. She only asked because the mum is going out for dinner later, so it's her only chance to drop off the present.

I feel a bit bad about saying no ( people pleaser ) and feel like I need to explain it. But I don't think it's appropriate for her to do that. Not sure if I should just say that we don't want the kids to go out unless it's specifically child related or if I should say that we don't want them around strangers etc. I don't want to offend or upset her or make her feel like I don't trust her.

Personally I would think it was ok for the nanny to occasionally take the kids to the family, just so they got to know the family as I would assume this to be a long term relationship and hopefully to grow into a family/close one. But the dropping off the present almost seems a bit cheeky, as not really fair for the baby to be carted around for her to do errands that doesn't seem fair on the baby (I avoid doing this with my own baby!). It's just like any other job, you do your personal stuff in your own time

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 12:56

BitOutOfPractice · 21/06/2023 12:14

Because a nanny and a nursery are two completely different childcare settings. Obviously. It's like the difference between a teacher who can't just "nip out in the day" and an office worker, who maybe can (depending on their work). I'm not sure why I need to explain that?

A nanny and nursery both provide childcare to your child. Neither of them should be planning lunch dates and running errands while they’re caring for your child. Not sure why I have to explain that.

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 12:57

And there’s no reason why this nanny can’t go on dates with her boyfriend and drop off gifts in her time off from work, like everyone else does! I can’t think of any other job where it would be considered reasonable to plan going on a lunch date or driving hours away to visit family on paid time.

karmakameleon · 21/06/2023 13:30

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 12:56

A nanny and nursery both provide childcare to your child. Neither of them should be planning lunch dates and running errands while they’re caring for your child. Not sure why I have to explain that.

I think the key difference here is that nannies often work long hours without a proper break. So if you need to go to the post office but work 7am-6pm and can’t nip out in your lunch break you need a bit of flexibility from your employer to take the kids to post your parcel. The nursery worker presumably does get a break in the day when she can leave the building and run an errand.

Obviously visiting family and dates are different and the expectation would be that these are done in the evening or at the weekend.

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 13:35

karmakameleon · 21/06/2023 13:30

I think the key difference here is that nannies often work long hours without a proper break. So if you need to go to the post office but work 7am-6pm and can’t nip out in your lunch break you need a bit of flexibility from your employer to take the kids to post your parcel. The nursery worker presumably does get a break in the day when she can leave the building and run an errand.

Obviously visiting family and dates are different and the expectation would be that these are done in the evening or at the weekend.

Yes, but the employer kindly offered to look after the baby so the nanny could run her personal errands. And as you say, it’s a cumulative thing. If I had asked one of my nanny families if I could run an urgent errand they would likely have said yes as they knew I rarely did that sort of thing. If I regularly took their kids on family visits and dates with my boyfriend then it would be very different. However, I generally posted my parcel on my days off. It seemed the most appropriate course of action.

karmakameleon · 21/06/2023 13:44

Kanaloa · 21/06/2023 13:35

Yes, but the employer kindly offered to look after the baby so the nanny could run her personal errands. And as you say, it’s a cumulative thing. If I had asked one of my nanny families if I could run an urgent errand they would likely have said yes as they knew I rarely did that sort of thing. If I regularly took their kids on family visits and dates with my boyfriend then it would be very different. However, I generally posted my parcel on my days off. It seemed the most appropriate course of action.

I don’t think the OP is wrong here and I certainly wouldn’t be wanting my nanny to do this but nanny jobs are different from nursery ones and I think it is reasonable for a nanny to ask flexibility to run certain types of errands that can’t be done outside of her working hours. So in this example it would be reasonable to assume she needed to drop the present round to her mum the night before rather than during her working day.

PriOn1 · 21/06/2023 14:31

I’ve never had a nanny, but I did use two separate child minders who had very different attitudes. One had her house set up like a nursery and organized activities all the time, the other had much more of a family setting. The children did some activities, but at other times watched TV as that was what the childminder would have been doing with her own children. Both had their good points, both kept the children safe.

So I guess it’s about what you want from your nanny, OP. Personally, I would assume that the main function of a nanny is to look after your children so that you can do other things. From that perspective, as long as they are safe and contented, then I wouldn’t worry too much about how they were filling their time, but then I’m a fairly laid-back parent who tended to fit my children in around what I was doing, rather than primarily entertaining them.

Having lunch with people while the baby sleeps is a fairly normal thing I might have done now and then as a mother. The dynamic will be very different when the children are a little bit older, so the relationship and activities will probably change, assuming she’s still with you. I get the feeling some people here don’t view the nanny as someone in loco parentis so much as someone there to entertain and educate their children. Both are valid viewpoints, neither is wrong.

Taking the children to see her parents sounds like she is viewing your children as part of the family to me, rather than that she is pursuing her own social life at the expense of your children, as others seem to imagine. If the children are bored and hate it, I doubt she’ll go again as it wouldn’t be pleasant for any of them.

I get the professionalism and boundaries comments, but it seems to me from this thread that it’s very much down to what works for you and the nanny. If you’re happy with the care she’s giving, then whether she is able to enjoy the job is also important.

But there are a couple of things that suggest you don’t entirely trust her. You worry that she might not be able to manage two children at soft play and you think she doesn’t know how to entertain them all day when there are two of them there. Is this something you’ve discussed or are you going on something you’ve witnessed? Might you feel better with a more experienced nanny?

So from this thread, there’s no right or wrong. I personally wouldn’t worry about my children going on an hour each way trip to see (the nanny’s) relatives, so long as they were safe and enjoyed it. Hopefully you trust your nanny to keep them safe at her parents’ house and if you don’t, there’s your answer.

At two months in, it’s early days. I hope you and the nanny can find a way forward where the nanny is enjoying her job and your children are happy and safe. In the end, that’s what’s important, I think.

Unicorn2022 · 21/06/2023 15:26

It's good that you didn't agree to her driving an hour and back to see her family, but looks like she is still trying to push the boundaries. It's as if she thinks she is on her own maternity leave or a SAHM rather than a paid childcare professional.

Opaque11 · 21/06/2023 15:45

I think you have been really irresponsible in allowing her all this freedom with your kids. How do you know you can trust the adults she brings around your dc?? And wtf at you being glad her bf provides an extra pair of hands to help?! She has definitely crossed a professional boundary and you have allowed this. I have a nanny and she wouldn't even allow another adult around my dc without checking with us. As someone who has worked in a nursery, surely she should know all this?! She is there to do a job although it's a personal one, why do you need to get to know her family? I think you should have a discussion and maybe go back a bit and set down some clear boundaries. I can't believe you have allowed all of that!

Hopper123 · 07/07/2023 21:38

I was a nanny for a number of years and it would never have occurred to me to just meet up with my outside of work friends or family. The lines did blur slightly when I was a live in... people coming to knock on door to pick me up in social time or family members dropping things off for me but it always felt a bit awkward to me which is why I asked to become a live out. I did meet for coffee and playdates with mums that I met at playgroups and got on well with who became actual friends but before meeting with a new person I always checked it was ok with their mum or dad which it usually was and the other children were always there so it was a way for the children to socialise and not have to be just with me all week. Going to visit her family an hour away should be done in her time off you're not paying her to visit her family you're paying her to dedicate her time to your children and that should be her priority during working hours. Is she happy with the role? It kind of sounds like she might not be enjoying the job and is looking for ways to make it through the days to be honest (nannying can sometimes be a lonely, boring job if its not with the right fit of family especially if she's just come from a nursery background which is quite a nice sociable atmosphere between the adults working there. It might be worth sitting down with her and asking her how she feels it is going, if she's happy etc see what she says before you discuss the things you're concerned about. But definitely bring them up.

WhatALotOfAFussAboutNothing · 07/07/2023 22:01

Is this for real? You leave your 2 young children with someone who you think can’t look after 2 at the same time and wants to go for lunch with her boyfriend whilst working?!

Trying2understand · 07/07/2023 22:26

I have a friend whose sister is a nanny and she does this all the time. Coffees with siblings, parents, friends, even her partner. Nothing seems very child centred, all is very much she wants to catch up with family and kids tag along. Even when she switched from nanny to childminder (with outstanding ratings!) she did it. Taking 4 dc to the shops for a nosey with her sister and then out for coffee. I thought it was very unprofessional. This was a constant occurrence not a one off.

In your nanny's case I would not be comfortable b/c you don't know who is there and with many people sometimes everyone thinks they have an eye on children and they don't. I don't see the issue with her meeting a friend with similar age dc at soft play for example, but not visits like this or meeting a boyfriend. Not appropriate.

nannyl · 07/07/2023 22:54

No
I don't think its normal for nannys to do this.

I wouldnt have ever even thought to drive my charges for an hour+ to spend time with my friends / family during my 10 years of nannying.

However my grandparents lived 1 road away from a family who i worked for for 6 years, and we walked passed their house on the way to the park most weeks.

We always waved if my grandparents were in, and normally said hello, and my grandmother loved to give my charges a biscuit. I dont think i ever took them into the house though, and we were literally walking past as part of our daily routine.

BallandBoe · 09/07/2023 03:32

My charges (7 and 9) and I are off to stay with my cousin and her children (7 and 10) for a few nights this summer.

I have been a nanny for 20+ years and I've always done stuff like this with my nanny children.

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