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Sister and babysitting

117 replies

Notanothermoan · 07/06/2023 10:25

Hi, this may be a long one so apologies in advance. I have 3 younger sisters, we all have children. One of my sisters has a little girl (4) who we believe has severe sensory issues and is going through the rigmarole of getting a diagnosis, my sister is a lone parent, DN’s dad isn’t in the picture, our mom was a huge help before she passed away at the beginning of this year so now her only support is from us, her sisters and occasionally our dad. DN is extremely hard work - I say this in the nicest way I can. She is none verbal, can be aggressive when upset/frustrated, she doesn’t sleep, she is usually awake till 5am, she will scream the most high pitched scream when her moms leaves and this will carry on for hours, she doesn’t sit to eat any food and will only eat walking around meaning lots of food is usually trod into carpet/furniture, she is petrified of animals (dad has a dog so she hates staying with him), she won’t sleep alone so has to sleep in the bed with the adult in charge (won’t sleep with children either) and of course as she doesn’t go to sleep until 5am you are also awake with her, usually the time spent before her going to sleep she is either running back and forth around a room, making loud noises or crying/screaming loudly so the whole house is usually awake. I’m just painting a picture of her here so that you can understand why it’s a challenge to look after her, not to speak bad of her, we all think the world of her and are a very close family. My sister tends to ask for childcare a lot, she’s a little bit of a party animal, when mom was here it was every weekend, DN and mom were very close and mom knew exactly how to handle her, probably better than my sister does. Usually she will ask our sister who lives round the corner from her, however she has an 18mo and is currently due with baby no2 and has started to say no to childcare, she has never had DN overnight because she can’t cope but has now said no to daytime care too, which is understandable. My other sister has 3 children and works full time but is often happy to have her unless busy or at work, I live an hour away from my family so I am usually last resort. I’m on maternity leave until December, I have DD7 and DS who is 8 weeks, my sister has asked us if one of us could have her daughter for a week while she goes away on a girls holiday. As I’m not at work, have the older child and baby instead of baby and toddler I’m probably going to be the one who is expected to have DN. My sister can become really upset when she can’t get childcare, she will straight away pull the ‘nobody wants to watch my child because you don’t like her’ card, which is obviously not true, she will say she needs a break she is alone which I totally get. The 3 of us all have partners and support from in-laws with childcare and I totally get where she’s coming from, but what do you do in this situation? I want her to have a life and understand that she has it tough but that week would be extremely hard work.

AIBU - it’s literally a week just have the child
AINBU - it’s too much, say no

OP posts:
mumofblu · 07/06/2023 22:21

What happened to putting children's needs first ?

Itsallovernow23 · 07/06/2023 22:23

@mumofblu get some empathy. Or don't. I know what I would do and have done in this situation. I have a normal life with ups and a lot of downs but I also habe a partner. No parents but good friends. They haven't paid me back, and I have been without support in the past. This makes me even more determined to help others. It's fucking shit and madd me bonkers to the extent that I couldn't cope and was actively suicidal.

Itsallovernow23 · 07/06/2023 22:26

Stop being so sanctimonious. Doesn't sound like the sister is in any position to put children's needs first. She needs a break but also support to realise how shit her life is, domestic violence, losing her mum and being sole charge of sn child. Doesn't sound like she's processed any of it and needs support not vitriol

mumofblu · 07/06/2023 22:35

Sisters stepping in and the mother / child not getting appropriate support from services mean this will not change in the long term .
Woman's aid , social services , gp , health visitors , paediatricians, early support services . These should all be involved .
I speak as a recently retired professional who worked in disability services for over 30 years .
Not judging , yes it's hard but this mum is walking away and putting herself first . Sadly I've seen it before when parents get overwhelmed by their child's needs . She needs help learning how to manage her daughters needs , holidays may come later .

Phineyj · 07/06/2023 22:36

Hi OP, I haven't read the full thread but unfortunately the most likely outcome of your niece going to school is that she won't be able to go to school and it will take possibly years to find her a suitable place.

Please go on the IPSEA website (they're an independent charity) and read everything there.

You could be very useful to your sister by educating yourself on how EHCPs work (well, they often don't, but knowing your legal rights is a start).

@thomaswastortured is a very knowledgeable poster.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/06/2023 22:41

No, you definitely shouldn’t do this.

You have an 8 week old. Sleep must be pretty hard to come by, without adding a non sleeping pre schooler to the mix.

Your sister will just have to wait for her girls week away.

Honestly, how many parents get a week away child free anyway? Even those in couples, even those whose children would be no trouble for wider family members, still don’t get weeks away.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 07/06/2023 22:50

She's bonkers.

Sorry, party animal days ended when she chose to be a parent. The child's SEN is irrelevant.

Olive19741205 · 07/06/2023 22:58

Itsallovernow23 · 07/06/2023 22:11

I would do it. I have done it for a friend although not with so many needs but it's a week out of your life. She has this most of the time. Fucking hard. Give her a break and have one uncomfortable week.

You did it for a friend? You admitted the child didn't have so many needs so I assume that child wasn't awake til 5am every morning. Did you also have an 8 week old baby?

Daleksatemyshed · 08/06/2023 06:29

@Notanothermoan thanks for answering my questions. So your DM used to say No to 2 nights but your Sister would turn her phone off so she had no choice and now your Sisters trying to make you take her for a week, it's getting worse not better.
I know you don't want a family row but could you and your sisters sit her down and try and get her to see this can't go on, she needs to get help for her DC from professionals. She's afraid of losing her DC but it could happen if she doesn't get help.

Babsexxx · 08/06/2023 06:58

No way my son is exactly the same age 4 currently going through ehcp and I wouldn’t ever expect anyone to have him over night even if they wanted too I would allow it but I wouldn’t organise anything incase I got the call! Yanbu. I sympathise for your sister but until she has a diagnosis like I’m waiting on she will have to hold tight once he has that in place the support will come thick and fast think you’ll find x

Shinyandnew1 · 08/06/2023 08:12

but until she has a diagnosis like I’m waiting on she will have to hold tight once he has that in place the support will come thick and fast think you’ll find

I’m not sure what ‘thick and fast’ support other areas get, but round here, you get a diagnosis letter, a page of website to look at and a discharge letter from the paediatrician.

The EHC plan is different, and could (depending on funding) provide tangible help, but this is based on need and not diagnosis. I wouldn’t be waiting until a child is at school to put a request in though if needs are high, I would be doing a parental request. Does the child attend a nursery, @Notanothermoan ?

Back to the original question-nobody is entitled to a whole week away from their children on a girls weekend. If you have someone ready and willing to have your kids, that’s different, but that isn’t the case here. I’d be spending any available time you are happy to commit to, supporting with what’s needed for an EHCP, not for her to have a week drinking.

Notanothermoan · 08/06/2023 12:10

Shinyandnew1 · 08/06/2023 08:12

but until she has a diagnosis like I’m waiting on she will have to hold tight once he has that in place the support will come thick and fast think you’ll find

I’m not sure what ‘thick and fast’ support other areas get, but round here, you get a diagnosis letter, a page of website to look at and a discharge letter from the paediatrician.

The EHC plan is different, and could (depending on funding) provide tangible help, but this is based on need and not diagnosis. I wouldn’t be waiting until a child is at school to put a request in though if needs are high, I would be doing a parental request. Does the child attend a nursery, @Notanothermoan ?

Back to the original question-nobody is entitled to a whole week away from their children on a girls weekend. If you have someone ready and willing to have your kids, that’s different, but that isn’t the case here. I’d be spending any available time you are happy to commit to, supporting with what’s needed for an EHCP, not for her to have a week drinking.

She is in nursery yes. I asked my sister what is going on with diagnosis process after lots of advice on here yesterday and she said she has inclusion support, speech and language and she’ll be doing a EHCP at school, nursery we’re going to do this but as she leaves next month they don’t have the time due to it taking a long time. She has been there since September so not sure who’s at fault for it being left this late. She has her first appointment with the paediatrician next month, apparently she’s waited 7 months for this.

OP posts:
Shinyandnew1 · 08/06/2023 12:20

and she’ll be doing a EHCP at school, nursery we’re going to do this but as she leaves next month they don’t have the time due to it taking a long time. She has been there since September

Absolutely no reason to leave it till then-the nursery or mum should be starting the process now. This is why so many children arrive in school with absolutely nothing in place-expecting the school to do everything! There’s over three months till she starts school-plenty of time to get the ball rolling.

Howabsolutelyfanfuckingtastic · 08/06/2023 13:21

I think she's asking far too much of you all. You can't be expected to help her parent because she's single and has a SEN child. You all have lives and families of your own, it's going to impact them in the end. Think of your own DC and your relationship with your DP/DH, they have to cone first. Your DS needs to seek more support from outside the family and accept her life for what it is. This may sound harsh but she chose to have a baby. When we have a baby we all realise that we will have the responsibility to care for them forever and no relationship is a certain so we must accept one day we could become single parents. Your DS has been dealt a tough hand in life but she's a grown adult and has to learn to cope with her own child. The not turning up on time or even on the same day would make me say no straight away. She's being disrespectful and disregarding her families time and plans, this is not ok under any circumstances. Ignore the guilt trip too, this is childish behaviour trying to push you all into a corner so you'll do what she wants. She needs to grow up and take care of her DD.

Fraaahnces · 08/06/2023 13:51

I think you and your other sisters (and your mum if she will) need to have a strong chat with her about how she is borderline neglecting her DD. It’s not in a way that will get the child removed, but she needs extra help and she’s not being proactive about getting the care she needs. It’s a bit hypocritical to then turn around and cry about how exhausted she is due to her DD’s condition and expect everyone else to come to her rescue and look after her while she lefts off steam. She needs to grow up and accept that she is a parent, not a teenager. Just because all of her friends are going out partying doesn’t mean she is entitled to.

Hollyppp · 09/06/2023 09:25

Fraaahnces · 08/06/2023 13:51

I think you and your other sisters (and your mum if she will) need to have a strong chat with her about how she is borderline neglecting her DD. It’s not in a way that will get the child removed, but she needs extra help and she’s not being proactive about getting the care she needs. It’s a bit hypocritical to then turn around and cry about how exhausted she is due to her DD’s condition and expect everyone else to come to her rescue and look after her while she lefts off steam. She needs to grow up and accept that she is a parent, not a teenager. Just because all of her friends are going out partying doesn’t mean she is entitled to.

Their mum died. That’s why the sisters are being asked to help more because their mum used to help loads with the tricky little girl

Fraaahnces · 09/06/2023 12:24

Oh sorry about your mum @Notanothermoan.
I don’t know how I missed that bit. (Was middle of the night in Aus when I wrote.)

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