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Sister and babysitting

117 replies

Notanothermoan · 07/06/2023 10:25

Hi, this may be a long one so apologies in advance. I have 3 younger sisters, we all have children. One of my sisters has a little girl (4) who we believe has severe sensory issues and is going through the rigmarole of getting a diagnosis, my sister is a lone parent, DN’s dad isn’t in the picture, our mom was a huge help before she passed away at the beginning of this year so now her only support is from us, her sisters and occasionally our dad. DN is extremely hard work - I say this in the nicest way I can. She is none verbal, can be aggressive when upset/frustrated, she doesn’t sleep, she is usually awake till 5am, she will scream the most high pitched scream when her moms leaves and this will carry on for hours, she doesn’t sit to eat any food and will only eat walking around meaning lots of food is usually trod into carpet/furniture, she is petrified of animals (dad has a dog so she hates staying with him), she won’t sleep alone so has to sleep in the bed with the adult in charge (won’t sleep with children either) and of course as she doesn’t go to sleep until 5am you are also awake with her, usually the time spent before her going to sleep she is either running back and forth around a room, making loud noises or crying/screaming loudly so the whole house is usually awake. I’m just painting a picture of her here so that you can understand why it’s a challenge to look after her, not to speak bad of her, we all think the world of her and are a very close family. My sister tends to ask for childcare a lot, she’s a little bit of a party animal, when mom was here it was every weekend, DN and mom were very close and mom knew exactly how to handle her, probably better than my sister does. Usually she will ask our sister who lives round the corner from her, however she has an 18mo and is currently due with baby no2 and has started to say no to childcare, she has never had DN overnight because she can’t cope but has now said no to daytime care too, which is understandable. My other sister has 3 children and works full time but is often happy to have her unless busy or at work, I live an hour away from my family so I am usually last resort. I’m on maternity leave until December, I have DD7 and DS who is 8 weeks, my sister has asked us if one of us could have her daughter for a week while she goes away on a girls holiday. As I’m not at work, have the older child and baby instead of baby and toddler I’m probably going to be the one who is expected to have DN. My sister can become really upset when she can’t get childcare, she will straight away pull the ‘nobody wants to watch my child because you don’t like her’ card, which is obviously not true, she will say she needs a break she is alone which I totally get. The 3 of us all have partners and support from in-laws with childcare and I totally get where she’s coming from, but what do you do in this situation? I want her to have a life and understand that she has it tough but that week would be extremely hard work.

AIBU - it’s literally a week just have the child
AINBU - it’s too much, say no

OP posts:
fireflyloo · 07/06/2023 11:18

I'm very close to my sisters and would care for their children (no SN) if they needed me too, but even then I don't think any of us would leave our children for a week unless it was a very specific reason (wedding etc). Even then we'd try and limit it where possible. I understand your dsis needs a break, but has she thought of the impact on her dc who seems to need her mum a lot. Would she not be severely distressed being separated for a week?

Your dsis is wrong for trying to guilt trip you.

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 11:18

Newyeardietstartstomorrow · 07/06/2023 10:46

In the nicest possibly way, you don't get to be a party animal and have week long holidays with the girls when you are a parent, especially a single parent with sole responsibility. Can social services help with respite, it must be very tough.

that.

OP, you and your entire family sound lovely and very caring. Do not feel bad for not being able to help! Your first responsibility has to be for your own children and your own health frankly.

Belmondo · 07/06/2023 11:21

What stage is the diagnosis at, OP? Does she have a place at a mainstream school for Sept 2023? In the kindest possible way, from the information you've given, I can't see her being able to attend a mainstream school in just a few months time, even part-time. Might you sister be in denial somewhat?

Thoughtful2355 · 07/06/2023 11:32

Id be doing the " since when have any of us had a week to just trot off and have some fun?"

If you dont get to go on holidays then niether should she.

Notanothermoan · 07/06/2023 11:36

Belmondo · 07/06/2023 11:21

What stage is the diagnosis at, OP? Does she have a place at a mainstream school for Sept 2023? In the kindest possible way, from the information you've given, I can't see her being able to attend a mainstream school in just a few months time, even part-time. Might you sister be in denial somewhat?

I agree she definitely wouldn’t manage at mainstream school, I believe the diagnosis is taking a while, she has had some support from nursery and health visitors but it’s being dragged out. I’m hoping that when she attends mainstream school they recognise that she can’t be there and that will help with the diagnosis.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 07/06/2023 11:41

I'd say no too, your DSis took the absolute piss out of your Mom and she'll do the same to you.

I'd offer the occasional night but tell her if she is late collecting then you won't agree again.

aSofaNearYou · 07/06/2023 11:41

Your sister sounds very spoilt. Being kind I could say she's perhaps at the end of her tether and it's clouding her judgment, but in reality she's probably just spoilt.

I have a 4 year old and I haven't had a week away since before she was born. That is a lot to expect of anyone, she needs to adjust to the reality of being a parent and recognise that a weekend, rather than a full week, might be a more realistic aspiration, at least until her daughter is older and hopefully easier to care for.

My sister can become really upset when she can’t get childcare, she will straight away pull the ‘nobody wants to watch my child because you don’t like her’ card

She needs a massive reality check about this. No, people don't want to watch her child because a) it's not actually a standard thing for parents to get a full week child free from their family and b) her DD has specific needs that make her incredibly hard to care for, that she can't just bury her head in the sand about. They exist, and yes they will make people less likely to babysit her. She needs to grow up about that.

HerbsandSpices · 07/06/2023 11:45

That sounds like more than I could cope with for a week. If she had to go to hospital urgently, or something, then I might suck it up for her but for a holiday, no. That's how it goes when you're a parent. I've never had a week away with my friends and mine are all grown now.

PrimalOwl10 · 07/06/2023 11:47

Your sister needs to grow up and put the needs of her child above her own. You all have your own families I bet you don't expect her to watch yours and you need to point that out to her.

LittleOwl153 · 07/06/2023 11:51

What does your niece do during the day? Is she in nursery? When does your sister plan to go away... I'm meaning would it be possible for her to drop and nursery and go anyway leaving whoever is the emergency contact to deal with it? (Just because you said she has a habit of not turning up to collect as planned.)

I would be telling your sister that this holiday simply isn't possible this year. With 2 of you with newborns, and the other 4 adults presumably working it is too much.

It sounds like your pregnant sister has already pulled back if she is no longer up for childcare, so that's down to 2. Unless she is talking at least November onwards (when yours will be 6 months and you are no longer breast feeding if this is longer) you really cannot cope on top of the baby - without the baby being impacted. But you feel like you will be pushed I to it so that the sister with 3 kids doesn't have to take it all on to the detriment of her kids....

Sadly your sister has been handed this lot in life. She had invaluable help from your mum - but that is no longer there. She needs to learn to handle her child, seek (public funded) respite to support her or look at other options. If you 3 pick up where your mum left off she will run you ragged, you will loose out on your own children/family and she will not change. (That's harsh - I know!)

Does your sister claim DLA for the child? Non verbal, still in nappies full time and not sleeping/hyper at night at 4yrs old she should qualify. This will give her some money to get some other support in terms of paid childcare etc to give her respite.

Take care OP. Its a tough one.

lankyhanky · 07/06/2023 11:53

Your sister has to make compromises in life. If she really wants a break then she should only go for the 2 days on holiday. And maybe see if you can all help out for those two days.

TheSnowyOwl · 07/06/2023 11:55

From a completely different perspective here, but would that week actually benefit your sister and her ability to be in a better mindset to parent or is it just so she can get drunk and then come back and carry on exactly as she currently is? How does your DN cope with being in different environments and the change that goes with staying elsewhere? My ASD child cannot cope with it but I have another waiting for assessment who would be fine, so I think there are lots of variables to take into account. A week is a very long time if the primary caregiver is out of the country and not able to step back in quickly.

Do you know where exactly in the assessment process your DN is? I think your sister needs to be much more proactive at pushing for help. Is she seeing her GP regularly? There is plenty of support she should still be able to get whilst waiting for a formal diagnosis but she needs to really fight to get it.

glittereyelash · 07/06/2023 11:59

I do feel for your sister as my child had similar behavioural issues and it's taken so much work to get him to a place where he's doing well. I have a fully supportive husband also so I can only imagine how hard it is day to day raising an SN needs child alone. That said what your DN needs most is a consistent routine and to feel comfortable, secure and supported. I've only recently been able to take nights away from my son usually once every 6 to 8 weeks. Ive been thinking of trying two nights away but dont know how my son would react i cant imagine him ever being away from me for a full week.When your a parent to an SN child you really have to adapt to your child's moods and have to say no to a lot of invites. Your sister is very lucky to have all the support that she does and she needs to realise that the party animal phase is over. Everyone is entitled to a break but a full week with any child is a huge ask.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 07/06/2023 11:59

Your sister is a cf. I wouldn’t dream of asking anyone to look after my dds for a week, we did an occasion overnight but a week is too much with a NT child let alone one with the additional needs your dn has. We can all sympathise with your sister, it’s not fair and it’s shit but she’s taking the piss

Mariposista · 07/06/2023 12:03

Your sister needs to be prioritising taking care of her SN child, not going on holiday or nights out. She sounds a bit immature.

Newestname002 · 07/06/2023 12:04

Can social services help with respite,

I came on to say the same thing. 🌹

HerbsandSpices · 07/06/2023 12:05

Newestname002 · 07/06/2023 12:04

Can social services help with respite,

I came on to say the same thing. 🌹

You'd need to find a respite carer who is willing to be up till 5am every night. I can't imagine that's going to be easy. I've done foster care and I'd decline that kind of thing. I just couldn't handle that kind of sleep disruption.

Aussiegirl88 · 07/06/2023 12:10

Your sisters lifestyle is what is causing issues for this child! have either of the sisters sat her down and told her it's time to pull her head in an actual be a parent, not just a weekday one. She clearly wasn't ready to have children but that's too late now and what she wants to do doesn't supercede that of being a parent 24/7. I say this as I was a teen parent, I grew up and matured well beyond my years because I had to. I had no body I couldn't even have 30 mins to myself.

You all need to tell her to reconsider this holiday it's not feasible with her lifestyle as a parent! End of!

littleripper · 07/06/2023 12:11

The pathology of DV, trauma, traumatised mothers and co-dependant children is beyond the reach of non professional carers. Your DS is not in any way to blame but her behaviour is re traumatising your niece and the chaotic care arrangements and lack of stability is compounding her behavioural issues. Your sister needs help. Does she have a social worker?

EliflurtleTripanInfinite · 07/06/2023 12:12

None of my DC could cope with that. Even a week with their Dad they wouldn't cope with. It doesn't sound to me like DN is coping at all. She has one parent, and that one parent should be working on making her world a place that isn't so painful for her to live in. DN needs support. There are ways to reduce sensory overload, and it's highly likely that the babysitting is not a positive for DN. I've been through years of working out what my Autistic DC need to cope in the world, that's where her focus should be. It's heartbreaking what DN is experiencing.

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 07/06/2023 12:19

The big thing here is that your DN's parent has just walked away from his child.

If your DN had a proper father doing 50% of the parenting, then this wouldn't be an issue.

I have huge sympathy for your sister as her life must be incredibly hard, that doesn't mean that you should have to look after her child for a week though.

But objectively, looking at this issue it's the father who should be stepping up at this point; your DSis needs respite and the other parent is the obvious choice in terms of who should give it.

Tryingtoconceivenumber2 · 07/06/2023 12:24

Could she compromise and perhaps go for a long weekend? It's a huge ask even if DN didn't have additional needs. The fact that she isn't collecting on time etc it sounds like she is really taking advantage of you all.

She is very lucky to have such support. My DD is 3 and my DSIS has no children and has never offered to babysit her but does spend time with her etc. Try not to let her guilt you in to this if you can't manage it. It sounds like you are all really working hard to support her.

While she is awaiting diagnosis is she able to get any support? I used to work on a playscheme years ago for SEN children and all though the holidays we collected them in the morning, took them out for the day and brought them back about 3pm. Some were as young as 3. Appreciate this does not fit in with night out child care but would be a break x

StopFeckingFaffing · 07/06/2023 12:25

A week long child free holiday is a luxury that most parents can only dream of

Whilst I sympathise with your sister and appreciate that life must be hard for her, it really isn't reasonable to expect you to care for DN for a whole week. A weekend maybe but a week is taking the piss!

forrestgreen · 07/06/2023 12:30

No, it would not be in the best interests of dn to be away from mum and home for that long.
Is she accessing the support she's entitled to, is there any day care that can help her. It must be awful to be in her ds position but a week away is not the answer

Georgyporky · 07/06/2023 12:32

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 07/06/2023 12:19

The big thing here is that your DN's parent has just walked away from his child.

If your DN had a proper father doing 50% of the parenting, then this wouldn't be an issue.

I have huge sympathy for your sister as her life must be incredibly hard, that doesn't mean that you should have to look after her child for a week though.

But objectively, looking at this issue it's the father who should be stepping up at this point; your DSis needs respite and the other parent is the obvious choice in terms of who should give it.

Read the thread.