White woman In a headscarf, would you stare?

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And conservative/ ‘modest’ clothing. Would you stare? Would you look twice?

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What do you mean public acknowledgement?

You think the way to make things better for women is to make headscarf wearing women uncomfortable by staring at them? Go you 🙄

It's funny you say get a backbone but this woman has CHOSEN to become a Muslim and wear what she wishes.

Again you say their business and their choice it's the typical stance of I'm not racist because I have a black friend/relative BUT ......

I notice. I don't stare, but it makes me feel a little bit sad.

Oh god you’re an absolute babe! I hadn’t even thought about that!

ah visual pleasure and narrative cinema… it’s been a while since I thought of you

So Muslim women who wear the headscarf out of choice are doing it for the attention?

This is just misogyny dressed up as concern. I doubt you give a shit about Muslim women.

Well whomever is noticing people staring at them for whatever reason is by the very act of noticing, looking at others (and perhaps trying to see if they're staring at them). It's a self conscious act to notice people staring at you especially when you're not exactly comfortable yourself.

They don’t need your sadness. Why not invite a Muslim woman over for a coffee? That’s more helpful than your sadness 🙄

I would not find this even remotely strange.

Ah yes, Muslim women of the world, behold - ignorant bigots who stare at you are not at fault, the fault lies with you for noticing.

I don’t care if someone’s wearing a headscarf, dressed as a clown, or wearing a snowsuit in the sun.. too involved in my own business to be bothered about strangers who aren’t doing me no harm.

by public acknowledgement I mean all the posts on here that give the impression that this is an acceptable way in our society to publicly give out the message that women are inferior.

Woooooaaaah

interesting that this argument is often used in its inverse as to why western critics of Islam are so opposed to ‘modest ‘ dressing

What??!!!

How are the posts saying that this is acceptable in our society ‘tacit? They seem pretty explicit to me.

You can make up for it by gawking at the next hijabi you see though.

They don't need my sadness or my coffee but the idea of women being lesser than me does make me sad. If men covered up in the same way I would be fine with that.

No round here. We have the Bretheren who wear them and don't cut their hair and preach on the streets. We have fundamentalists muslims and the local primary minutes from my house has load of little girls of 5 trussed up like battery chickens unable to see properly in awful such head coverings. Then the third group not so many round here are the evangelical Christian women in long skirts who sometimes cover their head. Then we have a very large Jewish population as are in north London so lots of women either wear a wig or cover there head. May be I will end up being the only person in my area who shows their hair..... Mind you when I was a very little girl the posher local women in Newcastle did used to wear those silk hermes scarf things to cover their hair do when out and about, the county set look I suppose.

I dye my hair as I am old so I suppose I am covering it in a sense.

If ‘modesty’ is so important, why aren’t the men covered??

Did you not know there are white Muslims?

Firstly, my post isn't just about Muslim women but for whatever reason

Secondly, people who stare at someone (doing something) new or different aren't automatically "ignorant bigots" because there are many reasons for that. That is such an insecure leap of thought.

Thirdly, notice the post I was responding to. The poster meant it as a 'gotcha' for the OP and I countered it by saying that anyone can also be that way for whatever reason.

Do you mean the Queen??

Men also should be… they have different ‘private parts’ bad translation it’s more like sacred, the Arabic word is awrah. Theirs is from the navel to the knee. They shouldn’t wear tight clothing either, or gold or silk, some say certain shades of red too

I did for I am one ;)

It was fashionable post war. I remember my DM wearing one up until the mid 1970s and Queen Elizabeth frequently wore one.

My thoughts were running along these lines.

I wonder how much of an individual feminist choice anything so deeply entrenched in patriarchy can actually be.

It is a very direct form of control and oppression for many thousands of women.

Yes I’d stare and I’d wonder whether you were being forced into it by your partner - the same as I’d wonder that about anyone and not just someone white.