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White woman In a headscarf, would you stare?

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 12:12

And conservative/ ‘modest’ clothing. Would you stare? Would you look twice?

context to follow :)

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:30

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He’s never refused to be seen with me as I don’t and haven’t worn the face veil and I said I think not he has. If I insisted, he wouldn’t be happy and I’m pretty sure he’d be concerned about my and our children’s safety and also my career. I’m sure in time he’d get used to it, albeit begrudgingly. It would be very unusual in his family too

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 05/06/2023 16:32

Coolhwip · 05/06/2023 16:28

Muslim women have diverse beliefs and practices, what a shocker.

Have a medal 🥇

You’re not getting what I’m saying. They thought hijab and headscarf wearing was oppression by men, therefore they didn’t do it. They also told me that yes, in their view, men often told women to wear hijab etc, not women doing it for their own reasons. I disagree there as I do think a lot of Muslim women do wear hijab etc as their own personal choice.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:32

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I don’t understand what you’re trying to say

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Cloudsarebright · 05/06/2023 16:34

I wouldn’t no. If I knew the woman well enough to know she was 100% british ethnically (whatever that means…) I might wonder if she was a revert and wonder about her journey, but that’s it.

Loads of people who I know from arabic countries are white, Lebanon for example.

ladymaiasura · 05/06/2023 16:35

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 14:49

fighting the urge to say ‘oh fuck off’, fighting the urge to say ‘oh fuck off’, fighting the urge to say ‘oh fuck off’

Which is another way of saying you don’t have an actual counter-argument.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:37

ladymaiasura · 05/06/2023 16:35

Which is another way of saying you don’t have an actual counter-argument.

No, it’s another way of saying ‘not this boring old trope again’

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Cashycashy · 05/06/2023 16:37

I wouldn’t stare just ... Privately I might wonder why you felt the need … just human nature! Practically speaking I guess at least you don’t have to do your hair but in the hot weather and in the menopause a head covering might feel completely unbearable!

Coolhwip · 05/06/2023 16:37

ladymaiasura · 05/06/2023 16:35

Which is another way of saying you don’t have an actual counter-argument.

What is the counter argument to ‘get a backbone’?

OP wears a headscarf daily in the face of aggressive stares from strangers daily, I’d say she has plenty of backbone.

Tenacioustattle · 05/06/2023 16:38

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shams05 · 05/06/2023 16:40

I think the Muslim women who stare are more curious about your story than anything else. They want to know what lead you to Islam but might feel it's rude to ask. I live in an town with a large number of Muslims, head coverers and face coverers alike but most of them will most likely do a double take upon seeing a clearly white woman as you describe yourself in a hijab.
The overwhelming feeling in all of them will be admiration though. I'm sorry you feel intimidated by it all.
And the older aunties who ask if you're married? If you weren't, they'd make a great effort to introduce you to their sons as when you've just converted to Islam you're classed as pure from all sin, and what better dil would any woman ask for?

Wanttobefree2 · 05/06/2023 16:41

SoloMamabyChoice · 05/06/2023 12:17

Looks like I’m the only twat then.

I don’t think so, I’d probably inadvertently do a double-take, not to be rude more just curious.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:42

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modesty means different things to different people. I probably wouldn’t call, cropped trousers, those sort of cropped tie waist, short sleeve blouses ‘conservative’ clothes which is why I put modest in parentheses (it is a term for a section of the fashion industry) and also said conservative clothes.

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:43

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I said think rather than he has

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Tenacioustattle · 05/06/2023 16:45

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:45

shams05 · 05/06/2023 16:40

I think the Muslim women who stare are more curious about your story than anything else. They want to know what lead you to Islam but might feel it's rude to ask. I live in an town with a large number of Muslims, head coverers and face coverers alike but most of them will most likely do a double take upon seeing a clearly white woman as you describe yourself in a hijab.
The overwhelming feeling in all of them will be admiration though. I'm sorry you feel intimidated by it all.
And the older aunties who ask if you're married? If you weren't, they'd make a great effort to introduce you to their sons as when you've just converted to Islam you're classed as pure from all sin, and what better dil would any woman ask for?

Hmmm I’m not sure if that’s entirely the case from the older aunties who stare, yes the ones who ask if I’m married, although one did say they couldn’t find anyone in the community (their specific ethnic community) to marry the son and they as parents would now be willing for their son to marry anyone as long as they were Muslim ‘even a revert’…. Not quite the compliment she had intended it to be

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HaveWeGotAnyCake · 05/06/2023 16:46

No, I wouldn't give her a 2nd glance.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 05/06/2023 16:46

Of course not

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Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 12:47

i love this comment, thank you!

i think I should hire you as a life guru

If you ever want me to insult the public and tell you you're fabulous, just ask. No hiring necessary 😂❤

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:47

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Yes he would dislike it if I wore it, same as I’d utterly loathe if he wore a speedo swimming.

babes would you prefer if he’d encourage me to wear a niqab? I’ll pass the message onto him

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Tenacioustattle · 05/06/2023 16:48

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ladymaiasura · 05/06/2023 16:49

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:37

No, it’s another way of saying ‘not this boring old trope again’

I thought I’d get responses like this. The thing is, until there has been an argument that fully explains how requiring/encouraging women, and only women, to cover themselves, or parts of themself, ISN’T a form of oppression and control then this “boring old trope” isn’t going anywhere.

Tooshyshyhushhushidoi · 05/06/2023 16:50

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On each instance I can’t recall, but probably some form of abaya esque attire. Typically I go for black, or neutral colours. I’ve never been one for prints or bold colours

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