White woman In a headscarf, would you stare?

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And conservative/ ‘modest’ clothing. Would you stare? Would you look twice?

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yeah really need people staring at me because that helps abused women.

2 women a week a killed at the hands of an intimate partner in the UK.

domestic violence is a UK wide problem.

if it concerns you, stop fucking staring at women in headscarves who are exercising their right to dress as they wish and do something practical to help women’s charities. Because it matters to you so much.

I think it's you with the faux concern. You've been combating anyone with an opinion that differs from yours on this thread since page 1. You're not even asian yourself, so what does it have to do with you?

Headscarves and hijabs are not exclusive to ‘asians’

You don’t have to be Asian to be Muslim, and you don’t have to be Muslim or Asian to be an ally.

ive appreciated @Coolhwip on the thread

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t as a Muslim.

if I had said he was the biggest supporter of it, it would’ve been met with rallying cries of ‘of course he is’ ‘what would he do if you said no’ ‘see you are being forced’

but because he doesn’t like it and I can feel that he feels uncomfortable with the eyes on us, he’s also ‘LoVeLy’

People who are saying that British women wore headscarves, yes they did used to do this (grandmothers did) but it wasn’t cultural or religious or anything. It was mostly to protect the hair from wind and rain and other weather elements. Lots of women used to have a shampoo and set or perm at the hairdressers so a headscarf was used to protect the hair.

Muslim women I see wearing headscarves now appear to be doing it for modesty reasons as their husbands prefer only them to see their hair. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I only know one woman personally who I went to school with who wears a hijab/headscarf, she’s Anglo Indian and at school always wore her hair uncovered as all the other Muslim girls did. She lived in Dubai for over 20 years with her family and adopted Johan/headscarf now, returned to England about 5 years ago now and assume she still does wear hijab/headscarf. I do sometimes get a slight “I’m better than you” vibe from her for modesty etc but I could be projecting my own insecurities there.

Where have I said only Asians wear modest/ conservative clothes?

And to the pps who are stating that covering up is being inferior as an islamic woman...are you aware that all three major religions (and a few others beside) state that one should be modest in dress and action. It is clearly stated in the Torah and the old testament. Even parts of the new testament discuss woman's temperament. Hence, orthodox Christians and Jewish women....

Judaism- it is called Sheitel- married women cover their hair with a scarve or wigs.

Christianity- there are many, many references to women covering their hair. Susanna and Rebekha (Rebekha wore a full veil) are probably the most notable. Along with Mary mother of Jesus and the other female saints. The book of Numbers, Corinthians and Genesis all mention women covering their heads. Female saints are pretty much always depicted with their heads covered and veiled. Both Moses and Paul discuss that women should cover heads.

Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.” (1 Corinthians 11:4) (hence the culture of men removing hats indoors, church etc)

“Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head.” (1 Corinthians 11:5)

"A man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.” (1 Corinthians 11:7)

“The woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.” (1 Corinthians 11:10)

And a lot more.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious debate. I am not religious at all. But, I am educated. I do get fucked off at the ignorance levelled at others when they have clearly made a choice for themselves and their faith. Whether or not you prescribe to that belief, don't voice your opinions without knowing the facts and orgins behind such actions. There is no excuse for that level of ignorance as a quick Google will sort those issues out.

I think that a woman who is outwardly able to display her faith (whatever the faith) should be celebrated and feel empowered by her choice. Covering ones head/hair, face or body is not repressing women who have made that choice. Who are you or anyone else for that matter to question, remark or over think that choice. It should just be simply accepted, not pitied.

As women don't we already have enough shit to deal with, without judgement over such a non issue?

Much better put than my wall of text!

Actually I’m both Muslim and Asian. Interesting that you assumed that I’m not.

And I am so sick of Islamophobia from many on this forum, so yes, I will respond. If you want to call it ‘combatting’ knock yourself out.

Thanks OP.

Whatever, the men are still rude.

I would say that I know 3 Muslim women (one works as a counsellor and helps Muslim women) who disagree with wearing headscarves, hijabs etc and say a lot about forced marriages etc. They’re very pleased they can dress in western clothes, uncover their hair, shock horror drink alcohol and smoke and don’t give a damn about what their community thinks! They’re all of a certain age though, so were married, now divorced, with children etc.

Actually I’m both Muslim and Asian. Interesting that you assumed that I’m not.
It's interesting that I noticed your use of the word "they" instead of "us" or "we" in every single post? Yeah so interesting.

No, the point was actually some women wear a headscarf in Marilyn fashion, sort of 50s esque, with cropped trousers and big sunnies and a sick scarf tied over the head so it was to make clear that it was a religious thing that either a conservative Christian, Muslim, Sikh or our orthodox Jewish sisters

By sick I clearly mean silk*

Muslim women have diverse beliefs and practices, what a shocker.

Have a medal 🥇

The Queen used to wear a headscarf. Princess Ann often wears one. My Mum used to wear one.

I feel uncomfortable around any women who choose to align themselves with and display symbols of patriarchy that are used to oppress women, whether that is hjiabs/niqabs, massive breast or lip implants, taking their husband's name on marriage, being 'given away' by their fathers, shaving their heads and wearing wigs, or whatever.

Regardless of those who say it's individual choice, those are choices which shore up centuries/millennia of male oppression of women, and I don't support or feel comfortable with any of them.

The girls and women of Iran have been hugely brave, and many of them have lost their lives, in the past year or so in response to being forced to wear hijab "correctly". It does a disservice to those women and girls for white British women to perpetuate this oppression and misogyny and call themselves feminists for doing so.

It's also either disingenuous, ignorant or both to pretend that it has anything in common with white British women in the 1950s wearing headscarves. They were not dragged physically off the streets and beaten to death if their headscarf was deemed insufficiently 'modest'.

Civil unrest and protests against the government of Iran associated with the death in police custody of Mahsa Amini (Persian: مهسا امینی) began on 16 September 2022 and are ongoing as of June 2023. Amini had been arrested by the Guidance Patrol for allegedly violating Iran's mandatory hijab law by wearing her hijab "improperly" while visiting Tehran from Saqqez. According to eyewitnesses, she had been severely beaten by Guidance Patrol officers, an assertion denied by Iranian authorities.[15] As the protests spread from Amini's hometown of Saqqez to other cities in the Iranian Kurdistan and throughout Iran, the government responded with widespread Internet blackouts, nationwide restrictions on social media usage,[16][17] tear gas and gunfire.[18][19][20]
Although the protests have not been as deadly as those in 2019 (when more than 1,500 were killed),[21] they have been "nationwide, spread across social classes, universities, the streets [and] schools", and called the "biggest challenge" to the government of Iran since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.[22] At least 537 people, including 68 minors, had been killed as a result of the government's intervention in the protests, as of 4 April 2023. [note 1] An estimated 19,262 have been arrested[note 2] throughout at least 134 cities and towns, and at 132 universities.[note 3][14][23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests