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SAHM- DH wanting to give me ‘routines’ and ‘duties’

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SummerDuck · 02/06/2023 19:43

So I’m a SAHM with DS1 (15), DS2 (9) and DD (3). DH works full time. He has recently started moaning about how I’m not doing enough around the house.

DD is at home full time other than being at nursery one day a week. I do most of the cooking, cleaning and general household admin. However, DH has said there is no not enough ‘output’. He therefore wants to introduce ‘routines’ and ‘duties’ whereby he will set out what needs to be done on a particular day and carry out checks upon returning from work.

So Monday will be garden day for example and the lawn will need to be mowed and leaves sweeped. Tuesday will be bathroom cleaning day and so on.

Is this level of micromanagement normal for SAHPs and should I just be grateful?

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Tiswa · 04/06/2023 11:31

You need to get back to work OP

Ellyess · 04/06/2023 12:24

Just a couple or so of points I picked up along the thread:

OP, you have been SAHM for 15 yrs but this seems to have begun only recently.

Would it be related to the birth of little one 3 years ago? I had my third child after an 8 yr gap between the second, and 11 yrs after the first and was quite amazed at the difference it made to the house in terms of baby toys, bits and pieces around the place. I breast fed and she was a bit difficult so I often stopped a job in the middle to feed her, then didn't get back to it because I had to get on with preparing the next meal, or collect her sister from school. As for the school runs, they became severe interruptions that seemed to always prevent me seeing any job through. On top of this I was so exhausted all the time. She did not sleep well so my husband had to sleep in the spare room as his job was so demanding. Some days I managed to have a few minutes rest if she fell asleep after a feed. I imagine the OP's husband might have called me lazy.
It's too easy to guess about others' experiences and think they are the same as one's own, but I mention that simply because it was a genuine experience and to demonstrate the change a baby arriving after a gap does bring. I need to say we were all so madly in love with her and delighted to have her, the toys everywhere and clothes hanging up to dry did not bother us at all. But to some extent we lived a kind of 'open house' through the nature of our job, and the muddle everywhere could be embarrassing.

There is too, the possibility of Post Natal Depression. If you are feeling things are getting on top of you OP, please go to your Doctor. We all understand how tiring a little one is and keeping the family together with older ones needing lifts to this and that is hectic - I know this very well, my second being born not long after we moved to a new area and I had PND.

Next point is the much raised idea of our OP returning to work. My view is why should she if the only reason this has come into her mind is because of the Husband's coercive control (call it what it is) regarding this ridiculous and controlling jobs list plus check-up later regime? Plus, if this Husband is revealing traits which are irreversible and needs to be divorced, then why should our OP dash off to work, adding to her already packed quota of responsibilities, and reduce the amount of support he should give his family if they split? She is earning her keep several times over already. SAHMs work so hard! What is more, they don't do a 35, 40 or even 60 hour week, but a 24x7 hours a week job! If - heaven forbid - our OP had to go into hospital, her husband would have to pay a Nanny, Cleaner, Gardener, possibly a Cook/Housekeeper.... Imagine the cost of that? I remember it being set out before my (now late) husband when he was trying to get the amount of life insurance on me reduced, to reduce his premium, and being told I was more expensive to replace than he was!

Finally, I do feel sorry for all the very decent men as we discuss a man who is not playing fair here. It must be galling to read on MN yet again about a bad husband. I do know there are egregious wives! So to all those wonderful men who constitute the great majority out there, please don't feel attacked! We know these coercive controlling types are a very small minority. In fact research [sorry, can't cite it, it'd take hours to find] has found that they actually seek out a particular type of Victim! We also know that there are many dreadful women. In fact, from experience, I think an evil and spiteful woman can often be worse than a cruel man.

pollymere · 04/06/2023 12:25

He's probably been on one of those time management courses. My Mum, whose house was always immaculate, got sent on one and suddenly there was a timetable in the kitchen. Despite me having moved out, my room was on it for a weekly clean and tidy...

I'd go one step further and work with him so you have a 38 hour week... To include ALL childcare, cooking, shopping etc. Anything over that time, he has to split 50/50 with you. If you're feeling slightly generous, you could only class childcare as when you're getting your little one meals or giving them a bath etc.

GeriKellmansUpdo · 04/06/2023 12:40

Finally, I do feel sorry for all the very decent men as we discuss a man who is not playing fair here. It must be galling to read on MN yet again about a bad husband. I do know there are egregious wives! So to all those wonderful men who constitute the great majority out there, please don't feel attacked! We know these coercive controlling types are a very small minority. In fact research [sorry, can't cite it, it'd take hours to find] has found that they actually seek out a particular type of Victim! We also know that there are many dreadful women. In fact, from experience, I think an evil and spiteful woman can often be worse than a cruel man.

FGS.

Inwiththenew · 04/06/2023 13:16

It’s quite funny really. I’d give it a bash and have fun making excuses. Don’t take it too seriously. He’s got a bee in his bonnet.

Alleycat1 · 04/06/2023 14:20

Before marriage I was a Diplomat. My husband was a partner in a global company and he didn't want me to work because it would have pushed us up into the highest tax bracket. It wasn't long, about 2 years, before he started treating me like a skivvy...well, he tried. He once asked me to do a 30 mile round-trip to collect his dry cleaning; he passed the shop every day but apparently a man of his status shouldn't be seen doing menial tasks. Wtf!
Readers, I left him. I have been significantly poorer but happier ever since.
Where do these men get off treating woman as domestic slaves? OP stiffen your spine and tell him to sod off with his routines and duties.

darjeelingrose · 04/06/2023 14:27

GeriKellmansUpdo · 04/06/2023 12:40

Finally, I do feel sorry for all the very decent men as we discuss a man who is not playing fair here. It must be galling to read on MN yet again about a bad husband. I do know there are egregious wives! So to all those wonderful men who constitute the great majority out there, please don't feel attacked! We know these coercive controlling types are a very small minority. In fact research [sorry, can't cite it, it'd take hours to find] has found that they actually seek out a particular type of Victim! We also know that there are many dreadful women. In fact, from experience, I think an evil and spiteful woman can often be worse than a cruel man.

FGS.

Seriously @GeriKellmansUpdo ? You come across as slightly unhinged. Most men aren't stupid. They realise that mumsnet is not the place where you post a loving tribute to your life partner, that's what facebook is for. I am 100% certain that there are no men out there reading this post feeling attacked and nobody needs your pity.

GeriKellmansUpdo · 04/06/2023 14:30

darjeelingrose · 04/06/2023 14:27

Seriously @GeriKellmansUpdo ? You come across as slightly unhinged. Most men aren't stupid. They realise that mumsnet is not the place where you post a loving tribute to your life partner, that's what facebook is for. I am 100% certain that there are no men out there reading this post feeling attacked and nobody needs your pity.

Did you mean to tag someone else @darjeelingrose? Because I am not the one who posted that unhinged bit about poor men.

5128gap · 04/06/2023 15:10

Your mental gymnastics @Ellyess of trying to reconcile your support of the trad wife lifestyle when faced with one of the many ways it can go spectacularly wrong for a woman are impressive. Reading about the OPs situation, which is rooted entirely in her dependency on a man who turned out to be a dud (as many sadly do) yet simultaneously encouraging her to refuse to work, thereby perpetuating it. Your desire to pin the failure of the set up on the man, rather than the lifestyle model, yet at the same time terrified a man may have been offended by your post, because men are typically so much nicer than women. You must be exhausted trying to square your circle.

professionalnomad · 04/06/2023 15:18

WTF have I just read?
Do you also get to give him a list of duties and responsibilities?

Jem57 · 04/06/2023 16:08

Prick with a capital P

Madamum18 · 04/06/2023 16:31

Good God ...I cant believe you have agreed to "trial it"!! He needs telling to bog off and grow up and do some lawn mowing or whatever at the weekend if he's not happy! What a complete and utter cheek, before we even get on to control, arrogance and a whole lot more

be very careful. This is frankly astounding!!

PlacidPenelope · 04/06/2023 16:36

DH and I have agreed that we will trial his proposed ‘duties’ system for a week so we will see how it goes.

Words fail me.

NewUserName2023 · 04/06/2023 16:44

Seriously?
He's a wanker!

toomuchlaundry · 04/06/2023 17:07

Have you lost all your self esteem @SummerDuck ? PND, peri menopause or being out of the workplace too long, being ground down by DH?

Are you seriously going to let him check that your work is up to standard? Does he do anything round the house/parenting? Are you going to check that and give him a list of duties?

Ellyess · 04/06/2023 17:17

5128gap I am not sure I need to bother to reply to you. After many years of marking University exam papers I can see when someone is trying to show off and cram in as much of the latest 'pop' psychology or crazy ideas as they can and aiming to look clever by deriding the down to earth words of older more experienced Practitioners in the field.

I'm happy with all that I said. No gymnastics required. Maybe your desire to be spiteful or your anxieties about the status of women or your own role makes you unsettled? You would have us believe this is some kind of social revolution. It is not. We are asked to respond to one thing the Op's husband is doing.

The OP's situation should not be that her husband forces her into going back to work after 15 years and while their youngest is 3, just because he has decided to start being critical of her or has changed his attitude after all this time. It sounds as though until he started this idea to bully her she was contented and fulfilled in her SAHM role which is a very demanding one but you may not know this. I've know many women over many years who have told me after having a baby they couldn't wait to get back to work 'for a rest'.

As for my response to the discussion about decent men, I see no reason to be apologetic about that. Sometimes it can appear that we are only concentrating on the bad ones but the nature of MN naturally leads women who are experiencing difficulties in relationships to come here for advice and help.

You seem to have a strange attitude that leads you to see motives that simply are not there. What rubbish to say, "your support of the trad wife lifestyle " and then you go on to trash the choice of the SAHW! Such judgmentalism! Plus your comment "Your desire to pin the failure of the set up on the man, rather than the lifestyle model," Are you serious? Six complete fallacies! In just eighteen words! It must be a record. You invent SIX lies to 'pin' on me!

You produce are entirely cliché-filled bogus ideas. This OP has been a SAHM from choice for 15 years or perhaps you missed that. She is not just embarking on motherhood or marriage.

When I respond to the letters of an OP, I simply do just that. I respond to their situation and address all the elements as far as I can which they have chosen to tell us. I do not embark on a lecture about modern and ancient lifestyles or models of running a family or marriage. That would be crass, a complete waste of time and wholly disrespectful to the OP who has been living the way she chose some 15 years and probably knows more about running a family than you ever will., She wrote to us regarding a problem that has only just arisen about which she seeks our advice.

You may well think that the arrival of a baby automatically means a woman should carry on working because she must not "perpetuate" "dependency on a man" in case he "turned out to be a dud (as many sadly do)" - all words on quotation marks are yours. I am sure you espouse that all mothers pass the baby over to the services of professional childminding institutions, and continue to reap wages which in some cases may not cover the child-minding costs.

But it is not for you to judge those women who choose to care for their babies at home themselves. Some have strong feelings that they want to be with their child rather than go out to work just to hand over their salary to the child minder and miss out on those irretrievable early years of their child's development and the closeness of the relationship that grows at this time. People have their own different choices. Many women manage work and a baby brilliantly. But some, especially if their job is not very good at blending with having a baby, do not like leaving their baby with someone else.

5128gap I don't know which political or sociological degree you did or what you read, but your ideas are way up the creek. You have left the common-sense feet on the ground experience most of us have. You're living some weird socially manipulated ideal that was invented by someone who wants babies to be manufactured in machines. Comments like "Your desire to pin the failure of the set up on the man, rather than the lifestyle model" are pure word-salad or gobbledegook. They sound clever but are a]untrue and b] rubbish. I have no 'desire' to 'pin' anything on anybody. I do not judge. I listen to what the OP says! Her problem is being given the written list to do and having it checked later on. If that's what you call "the failure of the set up" then why can't you stick to facts and say, the man decided to ...... and the OP is made unhappy by it? After 15 years of doing her job as a SAHM she seems to have coped OK to me!

Honestly - you are really rather nasty aren't you 5128gap? Why do you need to come on here to show off your 'newspeak' and try and put down someone who simply has only good will towards a person she would like to try and help?

RedStef1983 · 04/06/2023 17:22

You are stay at home parent. Your ‘job’ during the day is parenting. Anything else should be shared, just as if you were out of the house for work.

Ellyess · 04/06/2023 17:29

pollymere · 04/06/2023 12:25

He's probably been on one of those time management courses. My Mum, whose house was always immaculate, got sent on one and suddenly there was a timetable in the kitchen. Despite me having moved out, my room was on it for a weekly clean and tidy...

I'd go one step further and work with him so you have a 38 hour week... To include ALL childcare, cooking, shopping etc. Anything over that time, he has to split 50/50 with you. If you're feeling slightly generous, you could only class childcare as when you're getting your little one meals or giving them a bath etc.

This is brilliant pollymere! Don't forget Lunch coffee and tea breaks.

aloris · 04/06/2023 17:38

pollymere · 04/06/2023 12:25

He's probably been on one of those time management courses. My Mum, whose house was always immaculate, got sent on one and suddenly there was a timetable in the kitchen. Despite me having moved out, my room was on it for a weekly clean and tidy...

I'd go one step further and work with him so you have a 38 hour week... To include ALL childcare, cooking, shopping etc. Anything over that time, he has to split 50/50 with you. If you're feeling slightly generous, you could only class childcare as when you're getting your little one meals or giving them a bath etc.

Yeah I totally agree. He's done a course and now that he has a new hammer, everything is a nail. Love the idea to schedule yourself a 38 hour week. Brilliant!

Ellyess · 04/06/2023 17:44

darjeelingrose ·I have to own up, it was i who wrote the make-you -squirm comments not GeriKellmansUpdo ·she was quoting me and put a negative comment underneath - which was completely appropriate of her!

I don't have any excuses. I was thinking of two particular friends whose wives did awful things and I was reading on here about men and women being awkward and got the impression some men felt aggrieved that we always go on about horrible men.

Instead of re-reading it I went to the kitchen to save my burning dinner. The dog sent my message too early - she's dome it before.

So - many apologies or the completely unbearable squirming you had to endure.

I'm stopping now - can't see very well - eyes go off after a while on computer and t'dawg is finishing my fish pie.

Sorry again. 😧

Kiwano · 04/06/2023 18:44

DH and I have agreed that we will trial his proposed ‘duties’ system for a week so we will see how it goes.

Why, for goodness sake? If my husband so much as mentioned this I would tell him to stop being such a fucking idiot. There is no way on God's earth that I would trial it.

Topseyt123 · 04/06/2023 19:17

SummerDuck · 03/06/2023 18:14

It’s probably worth saying that I was also a City lawyer before I had the DC (which is how I met DH. It would be very difficult for me to go back to that after 15 years, so I’d probably be looking at retraining in something else.

Frankly I’m a bit stuck and wish I had gone back to work at least part-time earlier but that would’ve been very difficult with DH’s role.

DH and I have agreed that we will trial his proposed ‘duties’ system for a week so we will see how it goes.

What!!?? Why the hell has a former City Lawyer agreed to this??

I know what you mean about the 15 year employment gap as that happened to me and it is hard. I ended up part time locally and on much less pay, but happier than I would have been if my DH had even tried to suggest what yours has.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/06/2023 19:43

I despair that women give up careers to facilitate men. Becoming I used to be’s it’s a shocking example to set our children. Hey, study and work hard then when you have children you can give it all up. How the hell did you let this happen? You have no agency, no salary,no career and billy big balls gets to proceed to being partner and telling you what to do. Sheesh

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 04/06/2023 19:46

I'm really hoping this has been a wind-up as the alternative is too shocking for my little female brain to process.

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/06/2023 20:00

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/06/2023 19:43

I despair that women give up careers to facilitate men. Becoming I used to be’s it’s a shocking example to set our children. Hey, study and work hard then when you have children you can give it all up. How the hell did you let this happen? You have no agency, no salary,no career and billy big balls gets to proceed to being partner and telling you what to do. Sheesh

It makes me despair too. Even if this case isn't true, unfortunately many more are.