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MIL wants to see her son without her grandson & me

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Grxcegrxxn · 29/05/2023 23:34

For a bit of context, myself & my partner have been together 4 years, we had our son 18 months ago. Partners mother has only seen our son twice. We have encouraged her to schedule a day to come & see us or we can travel to her, but she either cancels plans or just doesn’t show up. She missed our sons first birthday, didn’t see him over the Christmas break, even though she lives a few streets away. FIL sees our son regularly but always comes to ours alone without MIL. We’ve been in no contact with MIL for 10 months now but recently she has started getting FIL to communicate for her instead of just reaching out herself. FIL invited us to a bbq at their house, we agreed we’d go, then the day of FIL messages & says ‘mom recons it’s best to leave it, I think you and her need to chat face to face privately’. When my partner asked what about (assuming she was upset about something & wanted to talk it out) he responded ‘it’s nothing bad your mom just wants mom and son time with you away from everyone els’. Insinuating she wants to be alone with him away from myself & our son. Usually I wouldn’t be bothered if it was directed at me, BUT I don’t understand why she wants to be away from her grandson as well? Am I taking this too personal? :/

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JulieHoney · 30/05/2023 17:35

Just how early twenties are you, OP?

Could it be she didn’t want her son becoming a father at 20 or 21 (an understandable feeling, most of us would want our young adult children a bit more settled before starting a family) and she’s unreasonably cutting you and the baby off because she doesn’t want to accept you?

AliceMcK · 30/05/2023 17:37

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 15:06

I agree, FIL seems scared of her, she can be very stubborn so I think FIL is nervous to get on her bad side in case he looses her. But surely your son comes first, even before your wife. He’s leaving his son in the dark about whatever has happened that’s rubbed her the wrong way, it’s all mind games.

My mother is a classic narcissist, my DF was a classic enabler, not scared of her but conditioned to take her side, take the blame and try and smooth things over for an easy life. The thing is the man was a man of his own mind and didn’t take shit from anyone in every other aspect of his life. But the relationship of couples, cohersion, abuse, controlling, manipulation is very very different. It sounds like your FIL has been conditioned to do her bidding and even take the fall for her, just like my DF did. To me a parent should protect their child, my DF either didn’t see, dint think it was that bad or thought he was doing his best to be peace keeper, but none of it protected me. Had I brought it up, I doubt it would have made a difference.

The drinking I don’t think is a big issue. I come from a family of big drinkers, work hard party hard. Drinking all day is common throughout my wider family. Very much functional “alcoholics” if that’s what people want to call them. I doubt that is her issue at all as the drinking culture dosnt impact the general family life of my relatives, any issues are individually related.

The young grandmother thing could be a thing, especially if she had children young herself and wasn’t the best mother. My DB & SIL were disappointed in their DD having a child in her early 20s, as were her BFs parents as both set of parents had children in late teens early 20s and wanted more life experience for their DCs. Everyone came round fairly quickly though. But it got me thinking about someone I know who refused to accept her first grandchild. Her son got a girl pregnant at school, she refused to acknowledge the child’s existence, even to this day, he will be in his 30s now. It was because she thought she was too young to be a grandmother, like your MIL she went to work and partied with her friends, was never the best mother. The next grandchild was not allowed to call her Nan, gran or anything else other than her name. Now she is all gushy over her younger grandchildren by the same son who had the first grand child. To this day he has never told his mum he started paying maintenance (willingly not forced) to his child and she has no idea that him and his sibling had a relationship with his child when the child was young.

Personally I’d stop letting her fill my head as she’s winning. Let your DP take a step back, get on with things. If FIL wants to see you say fine. If he says don’t tell MIL pretend you haven’t heard him, don’t mention her, if he tries to make plans for another bbq say whatever, if he mentions mother son time say great she knows where we are and most importantly tell DP to STOP trying to contact her. As he said it’s like he’s chasing her and he should not have to do that.

I don’t think you or your child are the issue from what I’ve read. The woman clearly has issues, if it’s with you she needs to grow a pair and tell you to your face, if she can’t she’s not worth bothering about.

Im NC with my own mother, it’s absolutely the best thing for my children, so don’t think your DS is missing out on something as some people don’t deserve to have children or grandchildren. You just do your best by him and don’t worry about anyone else.

In your circumstances though I think I would say to FIL, your priority is your child, your happy for him to be around but if he starts stopping coming then wanting to come back he can’t, he’s either in or out of your child’s life. Don’t make it about mil, purely him and his decision to be a grandfather or not.

Terzani · 30/05/2023 17:43

‘Hard to believe’? Every comment you’ve made so far is sounding as if you think I’m making this up for the hell of it.

@Grxcegrxxn I’m sorry, surely I wasn’t clear. Hard to believe from FIL, not from you - I didn’t accuse you of making anything up.

Toxicityofourcity · 30/05/2023 17:54

This is just shocking behaviour on the mothers part. Completely agree that this bullshit just needs to come to an end now so you can all move on.

I know you said your DP doesn't want to chase her, and I don't believe he should have to chase her either, but I would be going out of my way to nail this woman down over the next couple of days.

Camp outside her house, go to her local pub... whatever it takes to get in front of this woman and confront her on her ludicrous and hurtful behaviour. Ask her finally what the hell her problem is and make it clear that she cannot control what FIL does, this is abuse.

And then put all of her wicked bullshit behind you. I feel for all of you, but especially your poor DP having to deal with these mind games.

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 17:58

I don’t understand why you would not want him to see her alone? I find it strange that you feel it’s all of you or none of you, why would you think that? It’s mum and son so of course they should spend time together on their own. Let alone the veiled hints that there’s a reason for her to speak to him.
Theres also the possibility that you have unknowingly deeply hurt or offended her and for sake of good relations she’s tried to hide this. Give her a chance.

rainingsnoring · 30/05/2023 18:00

MintJulia · 30/05/2023 12:36

@rainingsnoring Sorry you find it bizarre. I suppose it is, a bit. My DM wasn't interested in any of her 9 dgcs. She wanted photos for the mantel piece and boasting rights if any of them achieved anything outstanding but otherwise regarded them as rather tiresome.

We could either rage against it or just accept that was the way she was. Is it so unusual? I can think of a few older women like that. A hang over from the 'seen but not heard' era maybe

I totally understand, sympathise and think you have taken the best approach. My own mum is like that too! I thought that you meant that you found it a totally understandable attitude from your earlier post.

I find it really odd that a first degree relative (or indeed anyone) would reject someone because they were too young or old. So unkind!

JadedTeal · 30/05/2023 18:01

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 17:07

Asking FIL to communicate for her isn’t leaving us be. Banning FIL from seeing his son & grandson isn’t leaving us be. She’s trying to control the family dynamic cause it doesn’t revolve around her.

I think you misread my post. I was saying that you don't know if she actually is asking FIL to communicate for her, I seriously don't think she is. I think FIL is saying these things hoping to bring MIL and Son together, MIL doesn't want to speak to either you or your DH for whatever reason.

I don't know if you read my longer post to you a page or two back but you are telling everyone that she is banning FIL from seeing his son and grandson but you have absolutely no proof of that, you have decided that is what is happening based on the fact he asked you not to post about his visit on FB and from that you have decided she has banned him from visiting them.

Toxicityofourcity · 30/05/2023 18:02

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 17:58

I don’t understand why you would not want him to see her alone? I find it strange that you feel it’s all of you or none of you, why would you think that? It’s mum and son so of course they should spend time together on their own. Let alone the veiled hints that there’s a reason for her to speak to him.
Theres also the possibility that you have unknowingly deeply hurt or offended her and for sake of good relations she’s tried to hide this. Give her a chance.

Christ on a bike... have you actually read any of the OPs comments beyond the thread headline?

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 18:16

Toxicityofourcity · 30/05/2023 18:02

Christ on a bike... have you actually read any of the OPs comments beyond the thread headline?

Erm yes, in a nutshell OP doesn’t know why her mil is behaving like this. They won’t find out by not continuing to try and see her will they?!

StrugglingWeight · 30/05/2023 18:19

No anxiety, agoraphobia, health issue explains or justifies her having a problem with FIL seeing you. She could pick up the phone and speak to her son if she wants alone time or to have a difficult conversation with him.

Honestly I don't think its worth expending anymore energy on this. It must be very difficult for your DP, but she has ignored him for a year. He has tried from his side, she's not prepared to engage so nothing more.

Your DH needs to have a conversation with FIL and say he is no longer going to chase MIL. FIL is welcome to have contact with you and his GC but it will not be kept secret with MIL, and he will not be trying to reconcile.

Essentially he has to come to terms with being no contact with his mother.

Toxicityofourcity · 30/05/2023 18:20

@HairyKitty but he has been trying? Most recently this week when she specifically asked to see him, he showed up and she'd buggered off to the pub?

Saying 'Give her a chance' is ridiculous. She's had plenty of chances!

Like I said in my response, I'd be going out of my way to confront her, not give this woman a 'chance' and pander to her whims. This must be so hurtful for OPs DP. I'd have given up a long time ago if it was me, she sounds like a nightmare.

Toxicityofourcity · 30/05/2023 18:22

Completely agree @StrugglingWeight

TripleDaisySummer · 30/05/2023 18:26

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 18:16

Erm yes, in a nutshell OP doesn’t know why her mil is behaving like this. They won’t find out by not continuing to try and see her will they?!

After 20 months of being arsed around I'd have though Op and her DP would be at who gives a fuck why and how do we stop this impacting on us stage.

BUT I don’t understand why she wants to be away from her grandson as well? Am I taking this too personal? :/

I think Op just upset her her Ds is missing out and her DP is upset - honestly it's not normal - and frankly it doesn't sound like MIL is very interested at best of times - you sometimes have to just sadly just accept that and move on.

I'd see what FIL does going forward but I'd try not to get dragged into any of it in future.

TripleDaisySummer · 30/05/2023 18:26

10 months not 20 - sorry.

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 18:38

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 17:58

I don’t understand why you would not want him to see her alone? I find it strange that you feel it’s all of you or none of you, why would you think that? It’s mum and son so of course they should spend time together on their own. Let alone the veiled hints that there’s a reason for her to speak to him.
Theres also the possibility that you have unknowingly deeply hurt or offended her and for sake of good relations she’s tried to hide this. Give her a chance.

Please go read the rest of my comments as I’m sick of repeating myself now. She hasn’t seen any of us in 10 months, my issue is that she wants to see her son alone but without her grandson that she hasn’t seen in ages.

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Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 18:47

HairyKitty · 30/05/2023 18:16

Erm yes, in a nutshell OP doesn’t know why her mil is behaving like this. They won’t find out by not continuing to try and see her will they?!

Said already if you actually read, DP went to MIL’s after she requested mom & son time, when he got there she wasn’t home anyway, his brother was home & said she’d gone to the pub with friends & wouldn’t be back till late. Dp came home, called her, no answer, left a message & still days later no response. FIL is also suddenly not answering DP’s messages either. If she was eager to see him she would of answered him by now but still nothing. Why should DP chase & force mil to see him if she’s making it clear she doesn’t want to talk or see him.

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JudgeRudy · 30/05/2023 18:52

AlfietheSchnauzer · 30/05/2023 12:17

@JudgeRudy How exactly does her anxiety, agoraphobia or any other health diagnosis justify her giving her husband grief when he sees his own grandson????

Utter nonsense

Ive known lots of people with severe anxiety. It might not be an issue her husband visiting the family it might be more that she feels she's been 'abandin3d' whilst he's out enjoying himself.
I'm not saying that acceptable behaviour, I'm saying just reserve judgement for a bit intill it's clear what's happening....and why.

standardduck · 30/05/2023 18:54

@HairyKitty are you ignoring OP's previous updates on purpose?

Some of the comments are getting ridiculous. OP mentioned numerous times how they tried to contact MIL for the past 10 months with no success. Are people ignoring that on purpose just to take MIL's side?

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 18:58

standardduck · 30/05/2023 18:54

@HairyKitty are you ignoring OP's previous updates on purpose?

Some of the comments are getting ridiculous. OP mentioned numerous times how they tried to contact MIL for the past 10 months with no success. Are people ignoring that on purpose just to take MIL's side?

Literally, a lot of these comments seem to be deliberately ignoring the parts where MIL is clearly in the wrong, the amount of times Iv had to repeat myself is wild lmao

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phoenixrosehere · 30/05/2023 19:18

standardduck · 30/05/2023 18:54

@HairyKitty are you ignoring OP's previous updates on purpose?

Some of the comments are getting ridiculous. OP mentioned numerous times how they tried to contact MIL for the past 10 months with no success. Are people ignoring that on purpose just to take MIL's side?

Looks like it. I’ve read all of OP’s posts using the lovely see all button that posters still seem to forget exists or care to read past the first post and she has been pretty clear about what is going on and giving more details yet posters are still assuming OP is trying to stop contact between mother and son.

I doubt most of them would be happy to tolerate this sh*t if their own mothers acted like this.

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 30/05/2023 19:20

But she hasn't asked for mum/son time. She really hasn't. FiL says she has, for whatever agenda, but she's showing signs she doesn't want to see any of you. And good riddance. She can be FiL's problem.

StrugglingWeight · 30/05/2023 19:32

JudgeRudy · 30/05/2023 18:52

Ive known lots of people with severe anxiety. It might not be an issue her husband visiting the family it might be more that she feels she's been 'abandin3d' whilst he's out enjoying himself.
I'm not saying that acceptable behaviour, I'm saying just reserve judgement for a bit intill it's clear what's happening....and why.

She would presumably know her husband was out and therefore 'abandoning her'

If someone behaves like an absolute twat to you, you don't have to reserve judgement or show them kindess. She's causing her son, and be extension grandson an awful lot of hurt and neither her nor FIL have shown him any compassion

If she feels incapable of saying she's unwell to her son, FIL could explain.

Ultimately for OP and her DPs sanity the best thing to do would be to leave it and come to terms with the lack of contact. He shouldn't be forced to continually go through the cycle of hurt on the off chance we can think of a genuine reason she's behaving this way

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 20:41

StrugglingWeight · 30/05/2023 19:32

She would presumably know her husband was out and therefore 'abandoning her'

If someone behaves like an absolute twat to you, you don't have to reserve judgement or show them kindess. She's causing her son, and be extension grandson an awful lot of hurt and neither her nor FIL have shown him any compassion

If she feels incapable of saying she's unwell to her son, FIL could explain.

Ultimately for OP and her DPs sanity the best thing to do would be to leave it and come to terms with the lack of contact. He shouldn't be forced to continually go through the cycle of hurt on the off chance we can think of a genuine reason she's behaving this way

Is that a joke? So FIL can’t see us because she’ll feel ‘abandoned’, left out. BUT MIL is allowed to ask to see her son alone, objectively leaving ME & MY SON out? where’s the logic there? One rule for me & another for her.

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Lindjam · 30/05/2023 20:44

But @Grxcegrxxn you must see by now, it’s very unlikely MIL has been asking to see DH.

This is FILS cunning master plan to reunite the family. Very cruel in fact as it’s magnified the fact that MIL isn’t interested.

Grxcegrxxn · 30/05/2023 20:44

StrugglingWeight · 30/05/2023 19:32

She would presumably know her husband was out and therefore 'abandoning her'

If someone behaves like an absolute twat to you, you don't have to reserve judgement or show them kindess. She's causing her son, and be extension grandson an awful lot of hurt and neither her nor FIL have shown him any compassion

If she feels incapable of saying she's unwell to her son, FIL could explain.

Ultimately for OP and her DPs sanity the best thing to do would be to leave it and come to terms with the lack of contact. He shouldn't be forced to continually go through the cycle of hurt on the off chance we can think of a genuine reason she's behaving this way

Ignore last post, was meant for the lady above you saying mil may feel ‘abandoned’

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