Eamonn Holmes tonight at 9 pm

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Interview for 70 minutes (I think)
Wonder what will be said, don’t blame him at all for being angry and wanting his say.
Watched a few old This morning clips today of Ruth & Eamonn with Rylan etc and it was really entertaining, the squabbles etc, humour and interesting discussions.
It’s actually quite sad it’s all gone to pot now.

Oh - I have to admit I didn't. (I don't watch reality stuff other than Strictly, Bake Off etc).

What I had seen of her she had struck me as very blunt but not nasty (I know there's a very narrow line) and genuinely upset and apologetic if she had hurt anyone. I haven't seen a great deal of her, I admit. (Or of the other two, but they strike me as insufferably self-satisfied.)

I thought that - the Nolans and (was it Linda Robson - Birds of a Feather woman) were appalling to her.

If Phil isn't in a great place, tough shit. He should have protected himself by following safeguarding protocols regarding mentoring young adults like everyone else in similar positions has to. Or face the music like anyone in a similar position has to

Yes - I get fed up of people who are suddenly "not in great place" when they are called out on their actions. Tough. It's a place they put themselves in. Stop running and hiding and take some responsibility.

I agree @EbonyRaven - I watched that series of BB and KW was horrible. No way did the Nolan's bully her.

That said, regardless of how KW is, I don't think she's a liar at all, so whilst I don't think she's a nice person, I do believe she's telling the truth and is right in what she says about PS. She's likely right about Holly too.

I also agree with Eamon that Holly would have nothing to do with Alison were it not for the fact that she's now getting fame and recognition in her own right.

Aside from Schofield, did any of you watch Come Dine with Me when Kin Woodburn was on? To my astonishment, she can't cook for toffee and the last shot of her was leaving in a taxi clutching the remains of the special vodka the host had bought; she'd already consumed a fair bit of it. It was both funny and disturbing. An eyebrow-raiser.

Going back to Schofield; it's all starting to feel a bit like a witch-hunt against him now. So many people coming out of the woodwork, saying they can't stand him, and berating and slating him. Never said anything before, coz apparently they were too afraid and couldn't say anything for fear of 'reprisals.' What, even Eamonn and Ruth? I find this hard to believe and it feels like they are jumping on the bandwagon - well Eamonn is anyway. And Dr Ranj too.

All very unpleasant to witness for sure. Schofield's career is finished now, but he will be OK. He is 61, and is at an age where it's acceptable to retire, and I'm sure he's OK financially. He has had a good and successful career, and has been a fabulous and engaging presenter. Shame this nasty shit is all he will be remembered for now.

The lady who worked with KW on ' how clean is your house?' ( channel four ) Didn't get on with her either ( so I have read online and what she has said since)
They appeared to have a wonderful working relationship and it was a good programme.
I was surprised at her revelations many years after they stopped making it.
Goes to show how much is fake , not that it surprises me these days , but clearly a lot does go on behind the scenes and it's all made to look like they are best friends and colleagues

They are very different women. I think Angie the other woman was a middle class scientist. Kim does not do the fake stuff many do to get along and if you annoy her she will tell you rather than do something vindictive behind you back.

Some posters are saying (and excuse this shorthand) that GB News = bad, Guardian = good.

You could argue however that the Guardian has become an idiotic comic swamped by the sensitivities of its American Democrat-biased office staff and its US-based financial backers. Hence some of its appallingly biased 'journalism' on sex and gender issues around sports, schools and safeguarding. That why if you want to read anything by Hadley Freeman you have to go to The Sunday Times.

One might also watch Andrew Doyle's 'Free Speech Nation' programme on GB News and find his intelligent analyses of historical literature, media biases and the origins of prejudice to be extremely enlightening. One might also appreciate his esoteric range of guests.

It's hard to critique one source of news without being aware of other sources of news. Impossible, in fact. Without a multiplicity of sources, the narrative remains narrow. It's valuable to go to the primary sources as much as possible, and to as many secondary sources and analyses as possible. And to keep questioning: what's material reality, what's factual, what's someone's spin, and what's propaganda - and why? We're hopefully more than consumers - we're critics.

KW was angry how she was portrayed in the BB house bc they edited 24 hours into a show obv picking what made her and everyone entertaining the most

But she works in tv... so why she is leaning on it being unfair idk 🤷‍♀️ that's all tv

I do find her pretty funny though and enjoyed her little bitch impy wimpy comment and the UKIP ladies face last night

Yes this. ^ I think KW is so narrow minded with such tunnel vision, and absolutely can NOT accept that she is in the wrong - ever. So yeah she is not a liar, but she does believe she is never wrong. And it does transpire into her being very rude and curmudgeonly.

It feels like she is 'allowed' to say what she likes, and be as rude as she likes, and people let it go because 'that's how she is.' Well it's not acceptable. No-one has a right to speak to people like crap, and then go on and act like they did nothing wrong. (She does this, and so do her supporters. Most people would be laid into for acting like she does sometimes.) And yeah I believe Coleen and Linda did nothing wrong at all, and I was gobsmacked at how KW turned on them on Loose Women. They literally did NOTHING to deserve her vitriol.

I know KW didn't have the best childhood, and she is a generation older than the people she was horrible to in the BB house, but no-one knows what others have been through in their lives, and being a generation older than someone doesn't give you a free pass to be rude and unpleasant to them.

I don't think she is a nasty person, but I am sick of (some) people making out she has done nothing wrong, she is the victim in the scenario with the Nolan lasses, and it's OK for her to be rude 'coz it's just Kim.'

For telling a rape victim he hoped she'd learnt her lesson about walking home alone

@MrTiddlesTheCat he didn't say that though! 🙄

all those subjects have been discussed, and returned to/updated, on bbc radio 4.
frequently in-depth investigations before they are reported elsewhere, eg the miracle babies fraud.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/08_august/13/miracle_babies.shtml

@RedToothBrush - the allegations are serious and safe guarding concerns are very real. But the right wing press is salivating over this in a fashion which is repulsive. And there are innocent parties whose lives are being ruined.

It's tricky to untangle what is a witch-hunt and what people have been unable to say before due to either super injunctions, nda's or threat of legal action from PS's lawyers.

Eamonn certainly has an axe to grind and clearly disliked PS. However Katie Hind who is the journalist that PS issued an apology to has stated that not only did PS lie to her but PS and his lawyer also tried to use the press regulator ipso to claim the story published was untrue. I wouldn't be surprised if PS is lining up his lawyers as we speak to go after Eamonn and GB news.

I don't disagree.
And who has the responsibility to deal with that adequately?

ITV's current position is untenable. They need to get someone in to get the right wing press of their backs, to restore public trust and to do the duty of care they have been blindingly obviously neglectful of. They need to update all their internal policies to ensure this isn't happening elsewhere and doesn't happen again.

Otherwise this will just continue and won't resolve.

I forgot Eamonn was on again tonight. What is left to be said, though.

@RedToothBrush - quite

Have you seen some of the individual posts on here that Mumsnet hasn't deleted. Sheesh 🙄

Eamonn Holmes on GB news talking about Phillip Schofield. That's a perfect storm of wankiness. Think I'll give that a miss.

What is the BBC saying? With their Saville, Rolf Harris history

I just got around to watching it.

I think I'm more confused, am I right in thinking that Eamonn and Ruth knew about the affair? He did say he didn't but he also contradicted himself by saying they knew about going out Thursday's and the taxi the following morning and how they knew he was fragile.

Now what's causing me more confusion is, the guy was 18years when he started seeing Philip? Or am I wrong? I know they met through other things when he was younger but from reading many articles it's pointing towards the guy being 18 when the affair started. Is this not legal? Are 'people' saying the guy didn't want to have the affair or was he happy?

I wonder has the guy been asked what happened and how he felt about the whole situation, surely this would prevent hearsay.

It depends.

Firstly can we trust the claim it only started when he was 18 from a pathological liar?

There are suggestions about how and when Schofield first made direct contact that bring that into question.

Secondly grooming or coercive control would mean there was a legal element that being 18 wouldn't necessarily eliminate (the law on coercive control came into force in 2021 I believe so it would only cover actions after that date but coercive control CAN happen after a relationship has finished).

In theory I suspect a NDA might actually fall foul of that under certain circumstances.

Kim does not do the fake stuff many do to get along and if you annoy her she will tell you rather than do something vindictive behind you back.

That's how she has always struck me.

I'm disappointed to learn that she was unpleasant on BB - I still think she was bullied on Loose Women, though.

I'd also read that she and Aggie didn't get along, but that doesn't mean that either of them were unpleasant people - as you said, they are very different people. I've managed reasonable working relationships with people I wouldn't choose to socialise with - probably we all have.

I think the taxis taking this guy booked by ITV to take him from PS flat to the studios is probably the death of this morning

PS was posting snapchats of him on these playtime nights - loads of people have seen and shared them

Can't say they didn't know anything or investigated much. Whilst "legal"- if the guy was as said particularly vulnerable and then "promoted" to loose women to get rid of him when PS was done and keep him quiet 🤐 ...

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