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Eamonn Holmes tonight at 9 pm

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Ijustcantthinkofaname · 29/05/2023 20:56

Interview for 70 minutes (I think)
Wonder what will be said, don’t blame him at all for being angry and wanting his say.
Watched a few old This morning clips today of Ruth & Eamonn with Rylan etc and it was really entertaining, the squabbles etc, humour and interesting discussions.
It’s actually quite sad it’s all gone to pot now.

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Flyinggeesei234 · 30/05/2023 08:08

MySugarBabyLove · 30/05/2023 05:33

IME it is usually those who react the most strongly to events, who froth the most and who make it all about them and how they feel who usually have the most skeletons in their own closets. The man doth protest too much. Clearly he has something to hide which he’s terrified is going to come out. So by engaging in this unhinged rant while PS is fair game makes him look like a poor victim, instead of someone who is so shit at what he does he is only good enough for GB news.

What does the GB stand for anyway? Is it “god-awful bigots”?

As for PS, I genuinely think that there are people who won’t be happy until he and holly kill themselves. In fact I even saw a post recently on a thread where a poster said that he was too much of a narcissist to kill himself. I mean really? Whatever people think, this has now gone too far and needs to stop.

And anyone who watches GB news and who thinks that Eamon homes is anything apart from an arsehole needs to get a life.

Oh, and wasn’t Dan Wooten the one who turned Nicola Bulley’s disappearance into entertainment on Channel5?

@MySugarBabyLove can you expand on your last paragraph?! What do you mean?

newnamethanks · 30/05/2023 08:10

I have no good opinion of Schofield. Unfortunately, the people lining up to trash him are near-equally unlikeable. Holmes? Wotton? Woodburn? Light entertainment 'journalism' appears to be a simple pit of vipers.

chipsarnie · 30/05/2023 08:10

The odious Holmes seems to have a long history of problems with co-presenters, in interviews he called Anthea Turner 'Princess Tippy Toes' and the then Christine Bleakley 'Miss Stratosphere'.

Does he ever stop to think about what his colleagues think of him?

Classic arse-covering.

Ijustcantthinkofaname · 30/05/2023 08:14

Interesting all the people all of a sudden slagging off Eamonn! I imagine PS has his people on lots of Sm still. Eh seems to be v popular with his fellow presenters/media people-great friends with Rylan, Amanda, Fern, Loose women etc, it says a lot when barely any have defended PS, a lot of them still need their jobs/careers so it makes sense they don’t want to/can’t say anything.
I’ve been in a toxic teaching work environment and it makes you feel very frustrated and angry and when karma comes, it’s a joy. This was without a young boy being taken advantage of, no wonder him and Ruth are angry, what kind of person would you be if you weren’t! Someone has to speak out.

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User18538754 · 30/05/2023 08:20

If you look at any past This Morning threads you will see that loads of people don't like EH, they like Ruth but not him. This goes back to when he was a presenter on TM

VimtoVimto · 30/05/2023 08:22

Ijustcantthinkofaname · 30/05/2023 08:14

Interesting all the people all of a sudden slagging off Eamonn! I imagine PS has his people on lots of Sm still. Eh seems to be v popular with his fellow presenters/media people-great friends with Rylan, Amanda, Fern, Loose women etc, it says a lot when barely any have defended PS, a lot of them still need their jobs/careers so it makes sense they don’t want to/can’t say anything.
I’ve been in a toxic teaching work environment and it makes you feel very frustrated and angry and when karma comes, it’s a joy. This was without a young boy being taken advantage of, no wonder him and Ruth are angry, what kind of person would you be if you weren’t! Someone has to speak out.

He could have spoken out by releasing a simple statement not using the whole sordid situation as titillation/entertainment to promote his career

Feefee10 · 30/05/2023 08:24

I don't understand there's never been any rumours about people hating Eamonn. So many celebrities dislike Phil there must be a reason.

dayswithaY · 30/05/2023 08:25

Eamonn’s story was a little muddled. He and Ruth were so close to MM, he was fragile, needed support. But they didn’t ask or he didn’t tell them about P?

Surely, if you’re comforting and supporting someone it would come up.

Eamonn knew about the taxi ferrying MM from P’s house, but still didn’t discuss this with MM himself to clarify the story, even though they were close?

Raised concerns about the relationship but again, didn’t actually know the facts about it?

MM always needed money but Eamonn didn’t ask him why? Holly only just got pally with Alison, never bothered with her before, what point is he making here?

Eamonn, you’re either all in or you say nothing. No point dropping half truths and still saying you didn’t know.

Why didn’t he just say he knew about the relationship, it made him feel uncomfortable but there was nothing he could have done as they were consenting adults and he had no proof of grooming or exploitation.

Instead of saying something and, at the same time nothing.

WhisperingAutistic · 30/05/2023 08:26

Flyinggeesei234 · 30/05/2023 08:08

@MySugarBabyLove can you expand on your last paragraph?! What do you mean?

She's mixed him up with Dan Walker

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2023 08:30

WithSpoons · 30/05/2023 07:57

It's all unsavoury.

The main news story is that ITV covered up a sordid and exploitative affair and accepts a culture of bullying because of ratings. The image projected by H&P was wholesome, light, bubbly and kind but the reality is a sordid machiavellian sex, drugs and bullying culture. It's fake and it's exploitative and possibly illegal (drugs and maybe under age grooming).

I don't personally think they can drag the show on for much longer. The image is destroyed. Which advertisers will want to continue? Which celebs would want to be involved?

Scandals have a tendency to be unsavoury and unpleasant.

There are people with an axe to grind, because they are not nice people and there are people with an axe to grind because of genuine injustice.

GB news tends to straddle both. It's ukip TV and I won't watch it.

HOWEVER like ukip it tends to tap into the disaffected public - and as we found out from Brexit you should ignore that at your peril. They are the void where shit turns up.

You have people who turn to ukip and GB news because normal channels / politicians find the subject matter difficult and awkward. It's the stuff that genuinely nasty or the stuff that's swept under the table for convenience by people who don't want to tackle it.

And there's your issue. If you don't tackle the swept under the carpet shit, you leave those people open to exploitation by the nasty shitty bigots politically because other people have failed to do their jobs properly. That what ukip would do, tack a genuine injustice onto them and twist it so people believed it's cause was something incorrect. That's why and how you end up with conspiracy theories too. A lack of trust in normally reputable authorities.

This story is a classic example of that.

ITV have failed in their duty of care and everything screams both from obvious evidence (awards ceremonies) and testimonies of numerous individuals that ITV didn't investigate properly in line with duty of care. By Schofield's own admission he acted in an inappropriate way.

The story strikes a chord with the public because it's about abuse of power in the work place. Which they know and recognise. They know the power involved failed cos it's so bleedingly obvious. It's a 'how many fingers am I holding up Winston' going on from ITV.

How do you solve it? How do you stop Eamonn and Phil going at each other indefinitely with Holly doing a massive sod story to save her own skin?

You put pressure on for a full proper inquiry and you axe the show (cos your advertisers and guests won't go near it anyway). And ITV are resisting that. And the only reason that makes sense to continue that position is there's a problem ITV want to cover up. ITV can choose to bring in independent investigator to root out the scandal or they can watch whilst a bunch of conspiracy theories get popular appeal and damage their reputation (and advertising revenues) because they will blow up even bigger than the reality of what happened. That's now their choice.

I don't like various media outlets but one of the key things I was taught studying media was to be fully aware of what was being said across the board because that might set political and moral agendas, because sometimes they might tap into something important and worthwhile that no one else will touch and because it stops you slipping into your own echo chamber of arrogant belief. Again, you ignore them at your peril.

Eamonn isn't a nice bloke but what he's saying is lining up with what others - including Schofield himself are saying and with the evidence available. To ignore this is foolish. To take with a huge dollop of salt is wise.

The truth lies within the area where there is the greatest balance of probabilities and there's a definite issue here that needs to be addressed properly away from social and red top bickering.

Where are the grown ups in the room to facilitate this? ITV need to step up and recognise the problem instead of trying to double down on a position that is increasingly untenable.

FoodCentre · 30/05/2023 08:41

dayswithaY · 30/05/2023 08:25

Eamonn’s story was a little muddled. He and Ruth were so close to MM, he was fragile, needed support. But they didn’t ask or he didn’t tell them about P?

Surely, if you’re comforting and supporting someone it would come up.

Eamonn knew about the taxi ferrying MM from P’s house, but still didn’t discuss this with MM himself to clarify the story, even though they were close?

Raised concerns about the relationship but again, didn’t actually know the facts about it?

MM always needed money but Eamonn didn’t ask him why? Holly only just got pally with Alison, never bothered with her before, what point is he making here?

Eamonn, you’re either all in or you say nothing. No point dropping half truths and still saying you didn’t know.

Why didn’t he just say he knew about the relationship, it made him feel uncomfortable but there was nothing he could have done as they were consenting adults and he had no proof of grooming or exploitation.

Instead of saying something and, at the same time nothing.

To be fair, I don't think any of this discredits his story. Given the whole circus around this, it's obvious why the lad wouldn't tell anyone.

You can be closer to your own parents and not tell them everything. MM could have spoken about someone he was seeing casually without needing to give a name of a boyfriend/girlfriend.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2023 08:44

dayswithaY · 30/05/2023 08:25

Eamonn’s story was a little muddled. He and Ruth were so close to MM, he was fragile, needed support. But they didn’t ask or he didn’t tell them about P?

Surely, if you’re comforting and supporting someone it would come up.

Eamonn knew about the taxi ferrying MM from P’s house, but still didn’t discuss this with MM himself to clarify the story, even though they were close?

Raised concerns about the relationship but again, didn’t actually know the facts about it?

MM always needed money but Eamonn didn’t ask him why? Holly only just got pally with Alison, never bothered with her before, what point is he making here?

Eamonn, you’re either all in or you say nothing. No point dropping half truths and still saying you didn’t know.

Why didn’t he just say he knew about the relationship, it made him feel uncomfortable but there was nothing he could have done as they were consenting adults and he had no proof of grooming or exploitation.

Instead of saying something and, at the same time nothing.

You could argue that they didn't fight it further at The Runner's request and because they were genuinely concerned about whether he could cope. Plus they might realise that whilst The Runner remained under the coercive control of Schofield or another party, they wouldn't get very far publicly because he would just deny. Just like it had within ITV when concerns were ignored. Legally they would be potentially vulnerable if they went public. That's a lot of the reason the press never went after Saville because of the litigatious issues.

The situation has shifted. Which opens the door to revisit it. The litigatious issues are harder for Schofield's lawyers to enforce as he's a known liar and he's admitted an inappropriate relationship. Schofield's step back from This Morning under a cloud empowered The Runner to say no more and to start saying he no longer was prepared to lie. In other words the coercive control element is breaking down. The Runner may be starting to recognise they were a victim of coercive control and friends (Ruth?) are encouraging him to break the continued unhealthy relationship with Schofield (the legal one that Schofield was paying for rather than a sexual one).

Everyone saying 'why didn't they say something before' needs to recognise these dynamics that played out with Saville and Weinstein. And the damn burst effect. People genuinely were fearful or legally had hands tied. They something suddenly changed and that all collapses. These scandals follow the same pattern of control until the control is undermined and then collapses completely.

The Runner is getting ready to speak. Whether publicly or privately. People are scrambling around because they know if he does a whole bunch of people will come out smelling of various degrees of shit.

newnamethanks · 30/05/2023 08:48

Extremely well put @RedToothBrush. ITV should hire you to head any inquiry, unfortunately, I expect you'd receive a 'wicked and biased Sue Grey' pile on before you even started. So much deception and distortion across the board, top to bottom.

justasking111 · 30/05/2023 08:57

ITV has big hitting lawyers who will be scanning all social media to see who has crossed perceived lines. Mumsnet could be in the firing line.

QuintanaRoo · 30/05/2023 09:03

Gothambutnotahamster · 30/05/2023 00:43

Surely not Christine - she's married to Frank Lampard FGS, so that would make her A A list, not B list celeb?!

I think calling her a B list celeb is kind. I’ve never heard of her. An A list celeb is someone like Taylor Swift or Brad Pitt. I wouldn’t even call her husband an A list celebrity.

GoOnHoliday · 30/05/2023 09:04

The posters worried about being taken to court are therewith assets, not everyone had this worry, sometimes being very wealthy like EH gives you freedom to speak and sometimes having no money gives you freedom to speak.

If PS or TH wants to spend thousands on a court case to obtain a pound a week damages, let them.

Whatthediddlyfeck · 30/05/2023 09:05

I think @RedToothBrush has it absolutely nailed with this

The Runner is getting ready to speak. Whether publicly or privately. People are scrambling around because they know if he does a whole bunch of people will come out smelling of various degrees of shit.

PS has done what I see spoken about on mumsnet as a tactic men will use when they think they’ve been caught having an affair-give some information, minimal, and see if that will placate the partner. The if that doesn’t placate, give a little more info and so on.

Ive never had much time for EH as I’ve always thought he’s a sexist pig, and will admit to following this story for the drama, but I don’t think EH is going to come out of this well in the long run

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2023 09:09

justasking111 · 30/05/2023 08:57

ITV has big hitting lawyers who will be scanning all social media to see who has crossed perceived lines. Mumsnet could be in the firing line.

ITV has a problem. If they get litigatious with MN they risk spiralling calls for an investigation for abuse of power.

Getting litigatious with MN would look like more of the same. It risks even more reputational damage.

They know this. MN knows this. I know this. Other posters know this.

And in court you can argue the public interest defence on this pretty easily at this point.

The question of why ITV didn't see an issue with such a junior member of staff going onstage at an award ceremony as part of an investigation into whether the relationship between him and Schofield was inappropriate, ain't going away.

It's the sticking point for ITV in terms of duty of care responsibilities. Even if both parties are saying nothing is happening, is that what was happening? Potential signs of coercive control should be on their radar.

Eamonn's accusation about cars paid for by ITV feeds into this too. I doubt Eamonn would suggest this even now, unless he was pretty confident of this. ITV almost have to disprove this now rather than go legal to silence.

Again Eamonn's carefully worded point about coercive control without actually naming the person is relevant here. It's a legal dodge, but makes an important point that ITV can't ignore and their legal team can't do much about. It's asking a question rather than making an accusation in practice.

SchoolShenanigans · 30/05/2023 09:12

MySugarBabyLove · 30/05/2023 06:50

Its so grubby from all corners and anyone who is listening to GB News as a guilty pleasure should really think hard about listening into a show which gives a platform to people like Laurence Fox and Nigel Farage. I think that the instant someone says “I can’t admit it in RL because my friends will judge” needs to think about what they’re actually saying.Because they know their friends will judge, and they know why their friends will judge, and probably think less of them.

So if you’re afraid to admit to something, then maybe you need to question whether what you’re doing is wrong.

Off point, but I don't think that's right. I would never admit to my friends that I use Mumsnet, mainly because I think it's a fairly judgemental, negative environment, but I'm not convinced that makes it wrong.

There are lots of things people keep to themselves for various reasons. Everyone's entitled to private aspects of their life; it doesn't make it wrong.

I also find it very simplistic to view only "left" or "right", and base judgements on, 'left is kind and tolerant, right is bigoted'. In real life it doesn't work like that. Plenty of DM readers are going to be very kind hearted and positive and Ive known plenty of mean spirited left wingers. Its easy to call yourself left wing and hope that people perceive you a certain way, sadly, it's often not the case and actually you still need to be a good person IRL, not just politics.

Lifeomars · 30/05/2023 09:15

SequinsandStilettos · 29/05/2023 21:33

So last half an hour they've had deputy UKIP, Jim and Kim all having a bitch?!! Have I missed owt else?

I see that GB News books some of the finest intellects in the country

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/05/2023 09:16

User18538754 · 30/05/2023 08:20

If you look at any past This Morning threads you will see that loads of people don't like EH, they like Ruth but not him. This goes back to when he was a presenter on TM

I don't like him - but that doesn't mean he is corrupt.

I don't like Wooten either, but he gets some good points across.

I DO like Kim Woodburn - I think she's had a hard life, and is sometimes brusque, but I don't think she is cruel.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/05/2023 09:17

Lifeomars · 30/05/2023 09:15

I see that GB News books some of the finest intellects in the country

😂

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2023 09:20

SchoolShenanigans · 30/05/2023 09:12

Off point, but I don't think that's right. I would never admit to my friends that I use Mumsnet, mainly because I think it's a fairly judgemental, negative environment, but I'm not convinced that makes it wrong.

There are lots of things people keep to themselves for various reasons. Everyone's entitled to private aspects of their life; it doesn't make it wrong.

I also find it very simplistic to view only "left" or "right", and base judgements on, 'left is kind and tolerant, right is bigoted'. In real life it doesn't work like that. Plenty of DM readers are going to be very kind hearted and positive and Ive known plenty of mean spirited left wingers. Its easy to call yourself left wing and hope that people perceive you a certain way, sadly, it's often not the case and actually you still need to be a good person IRL, not just politics.

I will happily argue the point that I read both the guardian and mail because I was taught to for valid reasons.

It makes eyes pop at times, but it's hard to argue against ultimately, because the reasoning is sound.

Likewise with MN. A few of my friends know I use it and they know I value it because it can have a ripple effect and education effect which are positive. It's not all nest of vipers vapid shit.

Even making this point on here is worthwhile. Not because I'm left or right wing.

Sometimes you just have to look beyond who is saying things and where at WHY they are saying them, is it fair point and whether it has substance.

Getting tribal is for numbnuts.

Lifeomars · 30/05/2023 09:22

QueenOfHiraeth · 29/05/2023 23:18

If you watch the breakfast show you get adverts for farm machinery voiced by the man with the loud, excitable voice too. It's a whole new world!

Apparently most mainstream large companies will not advertise on there. Don't want to taint their brand so the theory goes

WhisperingAutistic · 30/05/2023 09:24

Lifeomars · 30/05/2023 09:22

Apparently most mainstream large companies will not advertise on there. Don't want to taint their brand so the theory goes

They USED to advertise on there, till these guys called a boycott..
stopfundinghate.info/2022/05/07/gb-news-admits-advertiser-boycott-is-having-an-impact/