Holly willoboughly

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Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

Can a kid on work experience applying for a job be honest about whether they are having a relationship with a senior presenter if asked?

If a woman in their 50s was having an affair with a teenage (18yrsold ) lad, my questions would still be the same. Bearing in mind the bosses have ignored the goings on, someone who tried to report it got shafted by the bosses e.e Ruth.

What exactly would you expect the 50yr old woman's colleague to do about it or if it were you what would you have done about it?

Let me spell this out for about the hundredth time. Especially in light of the revelation tonight that The Runner was on work experience as part of the period he was working on This Morning when he was in a relationship with Schofield.

It is standard safeguarding procedure as part of employment contracts or in volunteering organisations which deal with children or young people (especially in a mentored role) to have a clause which prohibits relationships which could raise abuse of power concerns. This includes young adults over the age of eighteen. This is something that is particularly relevant to TV post Saville, Weinstein and Spacey.

So the question for ITV remains why weren't they shit hot on this even if it's not illegal.

It should have been gross misconduct and they should have been smart enough to recognise that a junior member of staff on work experience may not feel able to admit to a relationship - precisely because of their vulnerability and the imbalance of power.

ITV thought there was nothing to see when The Runner was going to award ceremonies. Something only senior staff should be at. The question was never asked why he was there.

It becomes a duty of care issue even if there is no illegality.

Given that Schofield first met this kid age 15 that further raises issues about the potential to have been groomed.

And there are now questions about coercive control which can occur AFTER a relationship has ended and IS illegal. Which there is potential for Schofield to have fallen foul of since the law change (which is after their relationship ended).

So yes it does fucking matter.

@RedToothBrush Save your frothing at the mouth and read the post properly. I don't disagree that ITV showed due negligence, I'm asking you what you think Holly should have done about it bearing in mind the boy was supposedly 18 (an adult) when their affair started.
What should Holly have done? not asking you about the ITV bosses.

Holly went on fucking holiday with him.

Holly pinned her brand to his persona despite this.

Holly as a senior employee should know safeguarding too. Safeguarding is everyones responsibility.

Holly is in a position of power and could have said more than others.

Holly decided to stay on the show despite the bleeding obvious because it suited her career.

Holly made decisions that are therefore hard to defend.

I remember it that way too! ‘Oh, it’s you again’.

How do you know Ruth tried to report it? Eamonn said her complaint was about PS being rude when she was doing a link. He also said that he and Ruth didn't know they were having a relationship. I haven't really been listening over the past couple of day so is Eamonn changing his story?

I find this blame game with Holly to be really unfair.

If it was "common knowledge" then why is it her responsibility to complain and take action? It's not her personal life. It's Schofields. Surely big execs who apparently knew this "common knowledge" were responsible for addressing it?

As for the comments about stories on social media and Google, there were no photos of them engaging in anything sexual. Just photos together. Considering Phil was her BFF, if I asked my friend if something inappropriate was going on and they said no then I'd believe them. Because they're my friend.

Apparently numerous people complained. What's to say she didn't know a complaint had been placed and trusted it was being investigated/dealt with?

Finally, these are the actions of Schofe. Not her. She isn't responsible for his misbehaviour.

@Askil have you watched the clip that @GoOnHoliday posted

Because she's the most senior celeb and that carries extra power and responsibilities. She continued on the programme after the awards. She should be aware of safeguarding and being ignorant of it is not really an excuse.

It's not as if she just was a colleague either. She willfully and deliberately hitched her wagon to Schofield.

She isn't responsible for Schofields actions. She is, however, responsible for her own.

She was at the awards ceremony in question.

She had the ability and opportunity to do more.

In schools and youth organisations, knowledge of an inappropriate relationship but failing to do anything might well risk your role.

Why?

Because safeguarding and duty of care as senior staff.

Think she's made lots of enemies by ignoring the people who facilitate her faux fame. The knives are out due to how she has behaved over the years.

Re safe guarding I agree but they went in education. How many times did any one at 7 their or any level get trained on safe guarding. I hate too say it but even in the education with lots of training and in the olive there is confusion around roles.

Itv high up esp hr yes but I wouldn't expect Holly or anyone else to know much about it

Bloody spell correct

That's no excuse. Most of it is just commonsense. Bet she wouldn't be so blase if an adult 40 years older than one of her kids was grooming them!

She feathered her nest and turned a blind eye to the rumours. When the going got tough she threw him under the bus and flitter off on holiday. No doubt she'll come to the sofa as if nothing has happened.

@Canthave2manycats

I'm not saying it is.

I'm pointing out that in education, where' safe guarding training is mandatory and regular people still get confused over it!!

How much actual safe guarding training has she had. Is she even aware of it.

I'm not sure it ever crossed her mind.

Well therein lies a fucking issue post Saville, Harris, Weinstein, Spacey for ITV.

Also given her job and how's she's done interviews on various sensitive issues yes actually she SHOULD know basic safeguarding of young people.

Well you have definitely struck one something there red.

Its a disconnect between being a boiled frog and seeing clarity in other situations. It's not uncommon got humans to do this.

I think if Holly is still there on Monday they literally can’t just start a normal show like nothings happened. I think she will have to acknowledge it at the start or it will just scream an even bigger cover up. I feel bad for Alison and Dermot in all of this, they seem to be genuinely good friends. He even went to an appointment with her and her son one day, I feel like it was a doctor’s appointment or something but you could tell they weren’t telling the story to say ‘look, we’re best friends’, they just do genuinely get along really well. Alison looks like the most likely candidate to replace Phil, especially since Mitch Kessler is replaced with a woman on the morning show and they can’t go off-script from that at this point 🤷🏼‍♀️😂 What will happen to poor Dermot though? Him and Josie now a pairing for the Friday shows? He looks so uncomfortable this week.

Also absolutely loving Ruth being on loose women when Eamonn has said ‘Ruth and I think this’ and she’s sat there acting oblivious to the entire situation while ITV are probably panicking that she’s about to throw them under the bus live on air at any moment but they can’t get rid of her or itl look even worse for them and she knows it 😆

@GL123 they cant get rid of Ruth because of something her husband has said That would be unfair dismissal

You need to take all your facts straight to the police then since you know so much. Bonkers!

It's not necessarily about the police. Did you still miss the memo?

Take a step back from this thread as it's not doing you any good.

@RedToothBrush what exactly conspired at the awards show? I'm not sure on the details

Why the patronising tone?