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Holly willoboughly

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midnightblue12 · 27/05/2023 21:03

Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

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mids2019 · 28/05/2023 15:49

@GrinAndVomit

Do you think even if she gets gigs the public will follow? What vehicle could be used for her talents?

ProfessorXtra · 28/05/2023 15:52

anotherside · 28/05/2023 15:04

@Travellingwillow

Just a witch hunt basically. Ok, he had a brief fling with a young adult who he first encountered as a 15 year old. Somewhat iffy maybe, but then nobody casts judgement on Macron and what’s her name who did the exact same thing - worse really as she was his teacher. In fact even one of the very occasional article which questions the morality of it, still ends up celebrating it in the end!

“As an older woman myself (ooh la la!), I can simultaneously acknowledge the weirdness and still cheer him on, her on and them on. And that is because, like 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron, I am an adult. Would that others were as mature as us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/may/15/it-isnt-wrong-to-raise-an-eyebrow-at-how-the-macrons-got-together

Loads of people think it’s weird and wrong. It’s discussed online all the time

Newmumatlast · 28/05/2023 15:53

TeaKitten · 28/05/2023 09:46

I think it’s stupid that people think she should have given up her job and damaged her career because ITV didnt want to fire this man and wanted to cover it up. Do you think every other woman in the building that worked closely with him should have quit too? It would have achieved nothing, ITV were the problem if they new about it.

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That's up to you to think but stupid is quite a derogatory word for an opinion different from your own.

And to be honest, there are choices people can make in life and it all depends on what they're ok with. If they're not ok with working with someone who does that then yes, if their employer will not sack them their options are to leave and do something else or to set aside their principles and carry on. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't leave or put money first etc. Just that it is a choice. That's just logic.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2023 15:58

So is there a chance Holly can re establish her career?

Hubby can save her. Don't be surprised if she switches to the Beeb in the near future.

JenniferBooth · 28/05/2023 15:59

@Anactor "See Saville, Rotherham etc where the female victims had made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and so were blamed for the men’s crimes"

Yeah? And one of the poor attitudes shown towards three of Saviles victims came from Schofield himself when he interviewed three women on TM who had been abused by Savile. he asked them "why come forward now"

ExitChasedByAMemory · 28/05/2023 16:05

JenniferBooth · 28/05/2023 15:59

@Anactor "See Saville, Rotherham etc where the female victims had made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and so were blamed for the men’s crimes"

Yeah? And one of the poor attitudes shown towards three of Saviles victims came from Schofield himself when he interviewed three women on TM who had been abused by Savile. he asked them "why come forward now"

@JenniferBooth I’m shocked PS said that. Do you have a clip of that? I’m not an avid This Morning fan but I used to watch it years ago with Richard and Judy and then never warmed to their replacements.

Missingmyusername · 28/05/2023 16:06

I think she knew and turned a blind eye.

I don’t watch This Morning or dancing on ice (I watch Netflix).

Personally I think Schofield probably has form, I couldn’t personally initiate a relationship with someone I’ve known as a child. He knew it was wrong, he did it anyway. How old was Schof when the child was 9? How many years has it gone on.

How his wife has stood by him I don’t know. Makes my skin crawl.

mids2019 · 28/05/2023 16:07

@RedToothBrush

You think BBC would take the risk? Surely there are safer bets for that particular type of role? It may be that her husband can save her career but hasn't there already been too much reputational damage?

Unsure33 · 28/05/2023 16:07

HadleyVaughn · 27/05/2023 22:49

Where to start.

  1. Personally I don't believe that she didn't know. Because I knew, the internet knew. ITV had an investigation in 2020!!! So I don't believe her statement.
  2. Even assuming you take her statement at face value (which personally I just don't believe, but assuming you do), it is off the scale Nelsonian blindness.
  3. Just my opinion but she now looks like a nasty self interested hypocritc. To go from this ultra-chummy my best friend, I will stand by you through thick and thin to nothing to do with me guv in the blink of an eye is shoddy and really hypocritical. She could have stayed silent but no - pile on in there with the 'he lied to me' to scramble to save her space in the spotlight.
  4. Dan Wooton has said in terms he told ITV. How likely is it that the co-presenter - the centre of this show - knew nothing. Really?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12131515/DAN-WOOTTON-told-ITV-Schofields-affair-2019-followed-looks-like-cover-up.html 5.People who turn a blind eye are complict. Whilst they are not as culpable as the wrong doer obviously, they enable behaviour. To suggest this is people blaming a woman for a man's behaviour is nonsense, it's a different issue. The same applies to the management at ITV who knew. They were all choosing to support their own cash cow when it suited them.

So you put it all together and you have someone deeply self interested, with no integrity. & depending on whether you believe the statement or not and where you are opinion wise - either a cynical Nelsonian blindness or a liar.

According to twitter the proverbial is about to hit the fan about Dan Wooton and personally I can not wait . He is a sanctimonious prat, who has been responsible for the downfall of others and I hope he gets his come uppance.

mids2019 · 28/05/2023 16:14

We've got Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman on the been as examples of completion for Holly (along with others). Is the hubby influential enough to get BBC to shoe horn in her in somewhere? (on licence fee payers money?)

Still think it's an ask

IamSlave · 28/05/2023 16:17

"why some forward now" is classic interview question asking what some idiot out there will be thinking so they can answer.

I don't like PS but you can't blame him for for normal question! Maybe he didn't even make his own

Mirabai · 28/05/2023 16:27

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:42

What worldview is that? That grooming is a serious concern and that the safeguarding of young people takes priority? That women are not responsible for the behaviour of men? That the protection and enablement of sexual predators by the establishment - which includes major broadcasters and has been well-documented over the years with actual, proven legal convictions - isn't a good thing?

OK. Showed your hand a bit there.

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I agree. If women’s careers are at risk from simply working with men with dodgy sex lives, in spite of the fact they asked them directly if they were guilty of what they were accused, then we’re all fucked.

It’s bizarrely patriarchal to hold that a man’s bad behaviour taints the woman he’s working with and she must go down with him. The posters who claim her career is over - is this kind of workplace suttee?

Why is it so radical to see that those at fault here are the man himself and the institution who chose to support him.

Soothingaftersun · 28/05/2023 16:38

mids2019 · 28/05/2023 16:14

We've got Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman on the been as examples of completion for Holly (along with others). Is the hubby influential enough to get BBC to shoe horn in her in somewhere? (on licence fee payers money?)

Still think it's an ask

Owwwwww Holly and Rylan to replace Tess and Claud. I'd watch that.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 16:39

Mirabai · 28/05/2023 16:27

I agree. If women’s careers are at risk from simply working with men with dodgy sex lives, in spite of the fact they asked them directly if they were guilty of what they were accused, then we’re all fucked.

It’s bizarrely patriarchal to hold that a man’s bad behaviour taints the woman he’s working with and she must go down with him. The posters who claim her career is over - is this kind of workplace suttee?

Why is it so radical to see that those at fault here are the man himself and the institution who chose to support him.

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If David Attenborough was working alongside PS and taking small children on holiday with him, then I would be saying the same things.

Ontobetterthings · 28/05/2023 16:40

She holidayed with him every year of course she knew

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/05/2023 17:07

What's really sad is that a very good journalist with ITV news Emily Morgan has sadly died at 45 and there's hardly a mention of it at all, just all this Holly and Schofield nonsense.

Soothingaftersun · 28/05/2023 17:12

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/05/2023 17:07

What's really sad is that a very good journalist with ITV news Emily Morgan has sadly died at 45 and there's hardly a mention of it at all, just all this Holly and Schofield nonsense.

Sad news about Emily Morgan

derxa · 28/05/2023 17:12

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/05/2023 17:07

What's really sad is that a very good journalist with ITV news Emily Morgan has sadly died at 45 and there's hardly a mention of it at all, just all this Holly and Schofield nonsense.

I know. She seems to have been greatly respected. A real journalist who always spoke about the facts without hyperbole.

Soubriquet · 28/05/2023 17:14

I remember in college I had a friend (so 18ish) who was in a relationship with her dads friend.

This friend of her dads had actually watched her grow up….even babysat at times.

I remember feeling really grossed out by that

LaffTaff · 28/05/2023 17:16

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/05/2023 17:07

What's really sad is that a very good journalist with ITV news Emily Morgan has sadly died at 45 and there's hardly a mention of it at all, just all this Holly and Schofield nonsense.

Her tragic death from cancer has been well documented? Endlessly chatting about it would just be maudlin and depressing - which incidentally is the very reason (ie avoiding putting ourselves into a depressive mindset) we're drawn to the HW/PS type of triviality.

Travellingwillow · 28/05/2023 17:17

derxa · 28/05/2023 17:12

I know. She seems to have been greatly respected. A real journalist who always spoke about the facts without hyperbole.

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So sad, but she shouldn't be talked about in this icky thread, she deserves much much much better.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 28/05/2023 17:18

I agree @Travellingwillow was just trying to bring some perspective

Sigmama · 28/05/2023 17:20

What's Dan Wooton done that's about to be revealed?

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midnightblue12 · 28/05/2023 17:32

Ontobetterthings · 28/05/2023 16:40

She holidayed with him every year of course she knew

I was with my ex husband for ten years but only saw his true colours at the end!!!

It's such an unfair statement.

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