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Holly willoboughly

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midnightblue12 · 27/05/2023 21:03

Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

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SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 14:45

However - (hit enter too soon) - why on earth is it expected that a woman will fall on the sword of a man's behaviour?

At any rate the whole brand's toxic and they could probably use a new breakfast show format.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:47

I actually feel bad for the population, this is the post truth fake world we live in, where men are women, where an actress tells you she is one and you don't seem to understand it's all theatrics.

tothelefttotheleft · 28/05/2023 14:51

@GoOnHoliday

Lorraines admitted to being fake?

Travellingwillow · 28/05/2023 14:53

RudsyFarmer · 27/05/2023 21:13

I still do t really understand why we’re all hating him. Is it because he had an affair? Because he’s gay? Because the person he had the affair with was young and the rumour is he manipulated the person into a sexual relationship?

I can’t work it out. I don’t like him because he’s everywhere and seems a sanctimonious prick but I can’t work out why this is constant front page news. People have affairs all the time and keep their jobs. The whole of parliament lie all the time and keep their jobs. What am I missing?

This.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 15:01

I still believe actors in an influencer position of power and trust should be safeguarding.

anotherside · 28/05/2023 15:04

@Travellingwillow

Just a witch hunt basically. Ok, he had a brief fling with a young adult who he first encountered as a 15 year old. Somewhat iffy maybe, but then nobody casts judgement on Macron and what’s her name who did the exact same thing - worse really as she was his teacher. In fact even one of the very occasional article which questions the morality of it, still ends up celebrating it in the end!

“As an older woman myself (ooh la la!), I can simultaneously acknowledge the weirdness and still cheer him on, her on and them on. And that is because, like 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron, I am an adult. Would that others were as mature as us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/may/15/it-isnt-wrong-to-raise-an-eyebrow-at-how-the-macrons-got-together

Emmanuel Macron | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/emmanuel-macron

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:09

Travellingwillow · 28/05/2023 14:53

This.

The implied grooming. That's the particularly pertinent fact that's missing.

Few people care these days if MPs or prominent public figures have affairs. Or, for that matter, about their LGB status. Where they do fall on their swords is when they lie about it (cf. Matt Hancock).

William Hague refused to discuss any of the stories about him and they faded away. Because, on the face of it, who really cares? Leave mud to dry, and it brushes off.

As to Schofield, I'd rather spare a thought for his affair partner. When they met he was just a kid. There's a serious imbalance of power and status in this situation, and making out it's a non-event baffles me just as much as the bizarre protestations, when a 31-year-old married teacher did a bunk with a 15-year-old schoolkid, that they 'just fell in lurrrrve'.

Utterly sickening. I can well imagine what the mother of that schoolgirl felt, just as I know that if it were MY very young son with whom Schofield had entered into a highly dubious, ill-advised sexual relationship, I would be banned for saying what I'd like to do to him. Could you honestly say you'd be happy with that?

And all this time later, imagine being the younger, more vulnerable participant in this liaison - perhaps one who hasn't even come out yet - and finding yourself at the centre of this media shitstorm.

I sincerely hope the affair partner is okay. Don't really give a stuff about Holly Willoughby: she isn't the culpable party here and is not responsible for what Schofield does. As for Schofield himself? My views are unprintable.

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 15:11

tothelefttotheleft · 28/05/2023 14:51

@GoOnHoliday

Lorraines admitted to being fake?

Yeah she has. But some people seem to think that makes her more real????

I don’t get it but each to their own. They will get a wake up call when they discover George Clooney was never a real doctor 😂

Florenz · 28/05/2023 15:14

Cancel this morning and put something better on daytime TV.

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:14

NB. just look at all the protestations on this thread that the very reasonable objections to this man's behaviour are tantamount to a 'witch hunt'.

And here it is, proof positive. It's precisely these attitudes which enable these men to act with impunity; it's the explanation people are asking for as to why they are protected for so long and allowed to get away with this behaviour.

The title of the thread points to a further problem in this repulsive social malaise. Whenever a man is at fault, blame the nearest woman.

Why don't people think more deeply about the kind of social contagion they are contributing to with attitudes like this? Or don't they care, as long as the sexual predilections of men are pandered to and brushed under the carpet, seemingly at any cost?

Porridgealert · 28/05/2023 15:16

nobody casts judgement on Macron and what’s her name who did the exact same thing - worse really as she was his teacher. In fact even one of the very occasional article which questions the morality of it, still ends up celebrating it in the end!

To be fair, their relationship is one of the least offensive things about Macron. So that's saying something.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 15:20

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:14

NB. just look at all the protestations on this thread that the very reasonable objections to this man's behaviour are tantamount to a 'witch hunt'.

And here it is, proof positive. It's precisely these attitudes which enable these men to act with impunity; it's the explanation people are asking for as to why they are protected for so long and allowed to get away with this behaviour.

The title of the thread points to a further problem in this repulsive social malaise. Whenever a man is at fault, blame the nearest woman.

Why don't people think more deeply about the kind of social contagion they are contributing to with attitudes like this? Or don't they care, as long as the sexual predilections of men are pandered to and brushed under the carpet, seemingly at any cost?

Guess what people did think deeply and don't agree with your worldview 😲

JudgeJ · 28/05/2023 15:21

Mrsjayy · 27/05/2023 21:11

They are not blaming her for his "antics" they are saying she's an enabler and turned a blind eye, although she needs to be left alone the focus should definitely be on him

I don't watch any breakfast TV, never seen this couple but have seen about the row in the media and if she 'needs to be left alone' then making statements about it isn't the way to go! She almost seems to be enjoying his downfall and milking it to the extrmeme.

GL123 · 28/05/2023 15:23

Change of subject but any predictions for who’s presenting the soap awards next weekend? I’m guessing probably joel dommett.. although he’s covered this morning once, I think they’ll go for him so it’s not anyone linked directly to this morning

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 15:24

GL123 · 28/05/2023 15:23

Change of subject but any predictions for who’s presenting the soap awards next weekend? I’m guessing probably joel dommett.. although he’s covered this morning once, I think they’ll go for him so it’s not anyone linked directly to this morning

It won’t be Holly and that’s for sure!

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2023 15:25

anotherside · 28/05/2023 15:04

@Travellingwillow

Just a witch hunt basically. Ok, he had a brief fling with a young adult who he first encountered as a 15 year old. Somewhat iffy maybe, but then nobody casts judgement on Macron and what’s her name who did the exact same thing - worse really as she was his teacher. In fact even one of the very occasional article which questions the morality of it, still ends up celebrating it in the end!

“As an older woman myself (ooh la la!), I can simultaneously acknowledge the weirdness and still cheer him on, her on and them on. And that is because, like 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron, I am an adult. Would that others were as mature as us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/may/15/it-isnt-wrong-to-raise-an-eyebrow-at-how-the-macrons-got-together

Yes they do. Theres been thread on it and loads of people have said they think it's not right on the Schofield threads over the last few days.

But this is just ignored.

justasking111 · 28/05/2023 15:36

The media hyenas are circling smelling blood god knows how this is going to go now

ExitChasedByAMemory · 28/05/2023 15:40

dayswithaY · 28/05/2023 13:35

If you watch the video, the clip that Ruth is introducing is from Emmerdale and she is about to talk about the grooming storyline. Before she gets to that point, out of nowhere, P abruptly crashes in and shouts “We’re out if time” or something.

You can still hear her saying “grooming” over his shouting, Janet Street-Porter starts laughing. Ruth says “well I only had a few more words to say” and he continues to drown her out by shouting “Yes, thank you goodbye”.

P was probably paranoid that she was onto him and had deliberately chosen the grooming storyline for her link with him. Coincidence? Maybe.

It was just after this that she complained, then later lost her job. 🤔

Can you please share the clip? I’m surprised PS’ behaviour has been confined for so long.

mids2019 · 28/05/2023 15:41

So is there a chance Holly can re establish her career? Personally I think currently this is very tall order. I am guessing that she will not reappear on TM which was the bedrock of her career and public persona. The appetite for her to be booked for other television programs will be dimished and so her television career seems to be in a death spiral

The problem is having a public face which relies on homely niceness means that reputationally it is very hard to recover from association with really quite unwholesome events. A close and long lasting relatiinship with PS means the 'I hadn't a clue' excuse loses credence in the public mind

TV execs would also be worried about a member of the public or even a celeb having a bit of a dig on a television show and Holly would have no come back.

Ultimately there are a number of female presenters that can fill Holly's shoes so why is anyone going to take a risk on her? Ant gained a reprieve as he was irreplaceable in one of television's most famous duo but Holly doesn't have that status.

I guess she may hire PR firms to try and stage a come back but is it worth the money?

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 15:42

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 15:11

Yeah she has. But some people seem to think that makes her more real????

I don’t get it but each to their own. They will get a wake up call when they discover George Clooney was never a real doctor 😂

There will be few actual science Drs soon. Those that stay will be running AI with IT geeks, nurses sorting bloods etc who took that in from a Dr are being replaced with health care assistants I gather.

Most are already virtual, refusing to see patients in person, now they're memory recall linguists with mouse and keyboard whilet they chant about men being women and cervix havers like proper misogynists and most in the NHS are women.😲

A female IT manager / charity CEO along with what I call an anti science quasi religion that the NHS took on aka a female psychologist, they are not a scientific medical psychiatrist, these two women with no scientific medical training can over ride a GP and do all sorts.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4815136-telegraphmermaids-and-tavi

I remember when a Dr used to make house calls and be actual scientists, your joke isn't far from reality actually.

Telegraph/Mermaids and Tavi | Mumsnet

I can't link the story as I don't have an account but the Telegraph have published this [[https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1662545555015213058?s...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4815136-telegraphmermaids-and-tavi

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:42

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 15:20

Guess what people did think deeply and don't agree with your worldview 😲

What worldview is that? That grooming is a serious concern and that the safeguarding of young people takes priority? That women are not responsible for the behaviour of men? That the protection and enablement of sexual predators by the establishment - which includes major broadcasters and has been well-documented over the years with actual, proven legal convictions - isn't a good thing?

OK. Showed your hand a bit there.

GrinAndVomit · 28/05/2023 15:43

mids2019 · 28/05/2023 15:41

So is there a chance Holly can re establish her career? Personally I think currently this is very tall order. I am guessing that she will not reappear on TM which was the bedrock of her career and public persona. The appetite for her to be booked for other television programs will be dimished and so her television career seems to be in a death spiral

The problem is having a public face which relies on homely niceness means that reputationally it is very hard to recover from association with really quite unwholesome events. A close and long lasting relatiinship with PS means the 'I hadn't a clue' excuse loses credence in the public mind

TV execs would also be worried about a member of the public or even a celeb having a bit of a dig on a television show and Holly would have no come back.

Ultimately there are a number of female presenters that can fill Holly's shoes so why is anyone going to take a risk on her? Ant gained a reprieve as he was irreplaceable in one of television's most famous duo but Holly doesn't have that status.

I guess she may hire PR firms to try and stage a come back but is it worth the money?

It won’t even be a speed bump for her.
She’s married to a very influential man in TV.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 15:46

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 15:42

What worldview is that? That grooming is a serious concern and that the safeguarding of young people takes priority? That women are not responsible for the behaviour of men? That the protection and enablement of sexual predators by the establishment - which includes major broadcasters and has been well-documented over the years with actual, proven legal convictions - isn't a good thing?

OK. Showed your hand a bit there.

You may want to 're read all my posts, as you just made a plank statement there in my opinion.