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Holly willoboughly

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midnightblue12 · 27/05/2023 21:03

Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

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GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 13:54

MayThe4th · 28/05/2023 13:51

It does not matter of Holly is dim or shrewd, she can't safeguard her own children, her colleagues or the public, she should not be (as this is the thread title) in a position power and power as she is inept. where does that end? Should the same be said about his wife?

What about the wife of any other criminal? The wife of a paedophile who is caught with images on their computer? Should it be argued that they must have known so clearly cannot safeguard their children?

Bearing in mind that it’s very easy for a wife to fane ignorance once the perpetrator has been caught, damage limitation as it were. Except that some wives and friends definitely don’t know. And in an industry where rumour and gossip is rife, it doesn’t necessarily follow that everyone should believe what they’ve read on social media rather than the actual person standing in front of them.

You think a woman like that should be left with children when she proved once that she can't safeguard?

What happens to those children with the next man, as she proved she has bad taste in men previously, and we know half of men are into porn and the type of man to take on single mums?

WeAreTheHeroes · 28/05/2023 13:55

@benfoldsfivefan - if you mean HW's Instagram statement about being lied to by PS, she hasn't deleted it at all.

WeAreTheHeroes · 28/05/2023 14:00

TV is notoriously misogynistic. It's a world where the youth and beauty of women is their currency. The same standards are not applied to the men who appear on-screen whatever their sexuality. And that's across the board for all sorts of programming. There's other stuff I could say, but I'll probably get banned.

LaffTaff · 28/05/2023 14:08

Lorraine Kelly interviewed Schofield post coming out (it's on youtube - worth a watch). Her approach is akin to Willoughby's, incredibly sycophantic, and (like Willoughby's) has aged dreadfully.

It's interesting to see the comments here about misogyny in relation to Willoughby, with her as potential victim thereof. In reality she's a bona fide proponent; she justified and condoned Schofield's duping of his wife for 27 years (and did it with relish - it was Willoughby who did the talking during that coming out segment. None of the words used were his wife's). Lorraine Kelly did her bit too for the sisterhood, by dismissing his wife in arguably an even worse fashion. In Kelly's interview she even uses dismissive hand gestures when talking about his wife.

Schofield was cast as the hard nosed interviewer on This Morning, and he continued in that role even after unashamedly admitting he'd inflicted a 27 year lie on his wife - grilling MP's and other high profile figures as though he was some pillar of integrity, and Willoughby sat faithfully by his side the whole time. And now she's feigning surprise that he's turned out to be a pathological liar? No, she needs to be dropped too.

benfoldsfivefan · 28/05/2023 14:08

Maybe she did it as a story (which I think is only visible for 24 hours) because there’s nothing about it on her Instagram:

https://instagram.com/hollywilloughby?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Instagram

https://instagram.com/hollywilloughby?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

WeAreTheHeroes · 28/05/2023 14:14

It's definitely still there @benfoldsfivefan - click on her profile picture

Holly willoboughly
DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy · 28/05/2023 14:15

Her statement was on her story and still is.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:17

LaffTaff · 28/05/2023 14:08

Lorraine Kelly interviewed Schofield post coming out (it's on youtube - worth a watch). Her approach is akin to Willoughby's, incredibly sycophantic, and (like Willoughby's) has aged dreadfully.

It's interesting to see the comments here about misogyny in relation to Willoughby, with her as potential victim thereof. In reality she's a bona fide proponent; she justified and condoned Schofield's duping of his wife for 27 years (and did it with relish - it was Willoughby who did the talking during that coming out segment. None of the words used were his wife's). Lorraine Kelly did her bit too for the sisterhood, by dismissing his wife in arguably an even worse fashion. In Kelly's interview she even uses dismissive hand gestures when talking about his wife.

Schofield was cast as the hard nosed interviewer on This Morning, and he continued in that role even after unashamedly admitting he'd inflicted a 27 year lie on his wife - grilling MP's and other high profile figures as though he was some pillar of integrity, and Willoughby sat faithfully by his side the whole time. And now she's feigning surprise that he's turned out to be a pathological liar? No, she needs to be dropped too.

All overseen by a woke ex Garadian woman.

What you see is what you get with Lorraine, she admits she is an actress paid to lie.

Holly has never admitted this to us.

Who are the people feeding into the ears, Martin?

I wonder how Fiona feels about his attitude? Did they make marriage goes to be a financial team of ones to be sexually faithful to one another?

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:18

marriage vows

AttilaThePun · 28/05/2023 14:20

plenty of posters screaming misogyny and claiming women alway take the blame but none can give examples of women being sacked for a males predatory behaviour.

I can. I’m not giving names because they won’t mean anything to anyone, and these women deserve their privacy.

I know an older woman who worked for a celebrity in the late 60s, along with a group of other women. When it came to light that said celebrity was a paedophile, along with other celebrities and politicians, with “parties” organised by Jimmy Savile, she went to the police - not only was she (and colleagues) laughed out of the place, she was then discredited and found it very difficult to find work again, as did her colleagues. They kept trying to pass on the info, but were ridiculed and even threatened at every turn.
After a few years they largely gave up. All were instrumental in helping piece together information about JS after he died, and in another investigation which came to a halt.
Their lives were very much affected by disclosing information, with evidence, of this celebrity and his friends. None worked in the careers they were trained in. None progressed far in any career, as they ended up keeping a very low profile out of necessity.
Whilst it’s not admirable for HW to have kept quiet if she did know something, there’s a precedence for protecting these predatory men and those who whistleblow to come out worse than the predators themselves.

I think some are naive in underestimating the power that certain men hold, and the level of protection that goes into keeping high up predators safe.
For that reason I think that PS had got to a point where he’d lost popularity, he’s made morally questionable decisions, and is being fed to the wolves. The ridiculous Queuegate is an example of this - he and HW did nothing wrong, but the media went after them like a pack of rabid dogs - why? Why now?
At this point it’s unclear whether MM has been groomed or not, or from what age - we can speculate but we don’t know.
Of course it might well turn out to be far worse than we know, but this isn’t a case of tv bosses dropping the ball, this is part of a bigger, institutional culture that will carry on as long as it can, whilst occasionally someone’s actions will out them, like PS’s, or it will be released on death, like JS (and a couple of celebrities who must be close to death by now!).

Let’s not forget the power JS held, the high places he wangled his vile creepy self into. Let’s not underestimate the depravity of powerful men.

Like some others, on the information we do have, I don’t quite understand the fury at PS (obviously it could well come out that he has done terrible things, but at this stage we don’t know), yet it’s fairly normal for very young women to publicly go out with much older men. Older famous men have got away with going out with young teenagers, and not faced any consequences at all. Current famous men have been found to be predatory and morally dubious characters, but get away with it. Unless there’s far worse to come out it does make me wonder if there’s a homophobic element to this - not excusing PS of anything, slimy fucker, but why have so many others got away with it?

Anactor · 28/05/2023 14:21

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 13:49

In holiday with him and her son.

Quite.

We’re outsiders looking in. From the outside, I can see a woman who is nearly twenty years younger than PS, who was working with him on another show, who might well have been told ‘I put in a good word for you, told them how well we worked together’ when she got the Good Morning job.

She was a lot further along in her career than that young runner - but there’s a certain similarity to the pattern.

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 14:21

HW and his wife knew he was gay. He was out for decades. HW knew he had lied to the public for years, yet she choose to believe him when he said the intern he was grooming wasn’t a lover. I smell BS. I can’t believe the amount of people on her acting like HW is the village idiot.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2023 14:23

LaffTaff · 28/05/2023 14:08

Lorraine Kelly interviewed Schofield post coming out (it's on youtube - worth a watch). Her approach is akin to Willoughby's, incredibly sycophantic, and (like Willoughby's) has aged dreadfully.

It's interesting to see the comments here about misogyny in relation to Willoughby, with her as potential victim thereof. In reality she's a bona fide proponent; she justified and condoned Schofield's duping of his wife for 27 years (and did it with relish - it was Willoughby who did the talking during that coming out segment. None of the words used were his wife's). Lorraine Kelly did her bit too for the sisterhood, by dismissing his wife in arguably an even worse fashion. In Kelly's interview she even uses dismissive hand gestures when talking about his wife.

Schofield was cast as the hard nosed interviewer on This Morning, and he continued in that role even after unashamedly admitting he'd inflicted a 27 year lie on his wife - grilling MP's and other high profile figures as though he was some pillar of integrity, and Willoughby sat faithfully by his side the whole time. And now she's feigning surprise that he's turned out to be a pathological liar? No, she needs to be dropped too.

It's interesting to see the comments here about misogyny in relation to Willoughby, with her as potential victim thereof. In reality she's a bona fide proponent;

Leigh Francis always gave me the creeps.

HadleyVaughn · 28/05/2023 14:30

What you see is what you get with Lorraine, she admits she is an actress paid to lie.

this sentence doesn't make sense at all. How can she be 'what you see is what you get' if she is acting?

She is one of those people (based on absolutely nothing but a sense that she's made of steely ice) that I wouldn't be at all surprised if her nicey nicey persona is a front for a really unpleasant person! No reason or evidence to think that other than a feeling and her cold eyes !!

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:31

HadleyVaughn · 28/05/2023 14:30

What you see is what you get with Lorraine, she admits she is an actress paid to lie.

this sentence doesn't make sense at all. How can she be 'what you see is what you get' if she is acting?

She is one of those people (based on absolutely nothing but a sense that she's made of steely ice) that I wouldn't be at all surprised if her nicey nicey persona is a front for a really unpleasant person! No reason or evidence to think that other than a feeling and her cold eyes !!

You know she is acting, it's not really her, she told us she is fake at work.

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 14:33

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:31

You know she is acting, it's not really her, she told us she is fake at work.

So she isn’t ‘what you see is what you get’ at all then?

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:39

TeaYarn · 28/05/2023 14:33

So she isn’t ‘what you see is what you get’ at all then?

Lorraine said She is fake at work, what you get on her show is an actress like on Corrie, the woman outside of work Lorraine Kelly said at work she is fake 😀 she is at work an actress playing a part, it's what I expect when watching her at work.

Outside work I would expect Lorraine to be herself as I would expect a coronation street actress to be different outside of work.

Travellingwillow · 28/05/2023 14:40

If HW knew he was gay and still married, but she knew that his wife knew he was gay and he hadn't come 'out', that isn't necessarily anyone's problem other than their own...BUT ....The issue isn't his gayness the questions now are about his 'young' lover, what age was he when that relationship started and how it transpired/evolved...eg grooming.

Not defending PS but there are alot of older men out there who are linking up with impressionable young women and not an eye is batted. They have money and power and these young women are prepared to be whatever for this position in life. Is this any worse?..if it started when he was 18 years of age ...is it legal or not ?

lollipoprainbow · 28/05/2023 14:41

Lorraine's another false and fake one can't stand her either.

porridgeisbae · 28/05/2023 14:42

Not defending PS but there are alot of older men out there who are linking up with impressionable young women and not an eye is batted. They have money and power and these young women are prepared to be whatever for this position in life. Is this any worse?..if it started when he was 18 years of age ...is it legal or not ?

It is because the grooming/'friendship' started younger. It's not technically illegal but it is a bit grim.

Yes, I think people would also not be impressed if someone did it to a young girl/woman.

LaffTaff · 28/05/2023 14:43

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2023 14:23

It's interesting to see the comments here about misogyny in relation to Willoughby, with her as potential victim thereof. In reality she's a bona fide proponent;

Leigh Francis always gave me the creeps.

Ah yes 'willobooby' 😬 iirc he's one of her best friends too.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:44

You want to go to a political meeting and watch them after, they quit the mantras and scripts and you see the normal person not the act they put on.

Nurses, Drs, teachers all play a part at work, they are actors in a costume/uniform speaking a script being fake. They are different at home relaxing drinking a cup of tea.

It is like watching someone on theatre state then walking behind them by coincidence and listen to them be themselves outside work.

SerafinasGoose · 28/05/2023 14:44

Haven't seen much of Willoughby, unless 'This Morning' happened to be on in the dentist's waiting room, etc, and once when they interviewed someone I know. She strikes me as a bit of a simpering twit and not exactly a hard-hitting or dynamic presenter.

Overthinkingperhaps · 28/05/2023 14:44

I've not rtft
But... she definitely would have and suspicions working so closely with him and by not acting on it until it looked like it was all about to come out doesn't paint her in a good light at all.

As a sidenote. My friend did her first post grad job for This Morning and most of the crew didn't like Phil or Holly.
They were both unbearably rude to people not in their little clique.
Their TV persona is apparently worlds apart to what they're actually like.

GoOnHoliday · 28/05/2023 14:44

lollipoprainbow · 28/05/2023 14:41

Lorraine's another false and fake one can't stand her either.

She admits she is, she does not pretend that character is really her.

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