Holly willoboughly

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Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

Time to retire This Morning. It has no credibility as a news or entertainment programme. Not that it had very much anyway and certainly not after Richard and Judy left and Fern Britton was ousted.

In an organisation, it’s difficult to accept that the people closely associated with someone who has been found out ( for want of a better phrase) didn’t know what was going on. That includes the top brass, all the bigwigs responsible for the programme. It must include surely, someone who has worked closely with a person, had contact socially and been on numerous holidays with them.

We know now that PS lied to everyone. He has said this in a statement. It's not entirely unlikely that HW asked him outright and he told her it was rumours, malicious gossip, a young boy with a crush etc and she believed him. It's not that she wasn't aware of the situation, it could have been that she was told it was all nonsense and she believed him because he was her friend. He didn't tell her about his brother's trial, he blindsided her with the statement....it's not entirely possible that he lied over this too. If this is the case I feel very sorry for her. She's lost her friend, lost her trust and this man has been around her children. It's disturbing how people can live fake lives.

In an organisation, it’s difficult to accept that the people closely associated with someone who has been found out ( for want of a better phrase) didn’t know what was going on

seriously? No one is this naive surely. You think people can’t carry on clandestine affairs in the work place and lie if speculation? You think everyone must know, with evidence, because you know it’s not about just “knowing” aka suspecting.

so every time there is a rumour of an affair in the work place, you feel the folks should be fired? Righto.

Why are you pretending to agree with me now?

There are a group of posters with their own agenda trying to skew threads on MN. That agenda is about young people (below the age of consent) having sexual agency, about predators not being predators, about everyone ignoring any safeguarding issues rather than acting on them. It's about eroding boundaries and trying to create a culture where it's no-one's responsibility to protect young people or challenge abuses of power.

How do we know he was 18? Isn't 16 the age of consent?

holly willobee, phillip scofield, carol voderman and katie price. they must be so loved in the uk. they are everywhere on the media. Ive never heard of them before I moved here.

The normalisation of young people having sex that goes on on MN is worrying. Being a parenting forum I guess it attracts a high volume of them. But it’s got beyond a joke. Countless threads about parents letting 13 year olds have sex in their home. And now encouraging women to say nothing when they see predatory behaviour at work. It’s disgusting and worrying.

plenty of posters screaming misogyny and claiming women alway take the blame but none. Can give examples of women being sacked for a males predatory behaviour.

Exactly this and he’s got his comeuppance as these people eventually do if there’s any justice. Vile man

the age of consent was equalised at 16 in 2001, I assume this took place after then? As otherwise was 18 for gay men

This thread is a prime example of why intersections feminism are dangerous for society they can't safeguard like an old style feminist, they are pro prosecution, pro stripping, pro lies, pro men are women, pro Pedophile Foucault and his queer ideology and blurring boundaries, that is why they have anti safeguarding values when it comes to Holly.

if you fall for their ways, you want to check.yourself before you wreck yourself.

Everyone has known about this for a long time.. it’s pretty common knowledge, so she must’ve known. Her sudden shift in distancing herself from him, she knew it was all going to come out and she’d look bad. It’s all about saving herself and her career.

I actually think there’s going to be a lot more come out about and this is just the beginning.

Suspicions yes but known, perhaps not. After all ITV said they enquiries and both parties denied any affair and said rumour. If ITV did in fact know and also lied then this has to go further. No one has come out either recently or in the last few years and said they actually knew. Even some scummy journalists, revelling in this now such as Dan Wotton.

As late as that? I'm shocked at the inequality. I think there's never been an age of consent for lesbian relationships or am I wrong?

There must he more to it as you don't just quit over an affair and you're brother's actions aren't down to you. I know the rumours about the young lad, although his age seems to have been changed in the statement. All over the Internet he was 12 when they met now it's 15. Also the super injunction is coming to an end soon.

The press were out for blood after queuegate but it seems at the time Holly was getting more of the criticism.

Eammon and Ruth left under a cloud and weren't happy about going. They were actually more popular than some of the others so why did they get given the boot?

The young lad went to work on Loose Women.

(I read too much gossip pages 😂🤦‍♀️)

I think blaming HW as responsible has shades of

'women are responsible for whatever men do'

However she definitely benefited from sucking up to Schofield. So she does have an issue.

Ultimately I think the issue lies with ITV executives.

Where this seems likely to blow up is over whether it's a one off case at ITV. It doesn't sound like it is and that could get more sticky for the channel. I suspect we will see some hint dropping in the press.

Schofield seems to have got caught out by his own litigatious nature which is interesting in itself.

Comprehension’s not your thing is it. To spell it out:

• PS alone is responsible for his behaviour
• No women around him is - not his wife, not HW, not his mother
• PS has got away with this for a long time, he is finally being held accountable
• I would like him to have been held accountable at the time

HTH.

I see your argument has fallen flat and now you want to attack me. I don’t have a personal problem with you. And you make valid points, they just aren’t relevant to my original point.

My original post, which you were so quick to respond to, was about women being encouraged on MN to cover up for men’s predatory behaviour.

Why do you want women to normalise gown men having sexual relationships with teenagers?

Think hard about what you are defending here. I know you like to go on the hard defence so please take a moment to consider your response.

Remember this isn’t about you. It’s about hearing opposing facts and understanding the harm in your way of thinking.

In the workplace often individuals go with the power. P.S had power and generally folk merged with that. Some do distance themselves from unethical powerful people but I don't think many do. It's like asking all these ITV people to now explain themselves. They can't.

I want to know why some posters want to normalised all kinds of harmful things.

@TeaYarn I simply clarified what you found hard to understand.

Women are not and cannot be held responsible for men’s predatory behaviour, they have enough problem with it themselves.

Men have to take responsibility for their own behaviour.

Saying that HW kept her silence on what she knew, or suspected about Phil, to protect her job is not a gender issue / it is not misogyny. It would be exactly the same if Phil’s best friend and co-host were a man, and we were talking about another man being silently complicit.
if Rylan knew and left, if Ruth allegedly reported what she knew, then you’d be an absolute fool to think Holly didn’t. Some people were brave here, some people were the victims here. Holly is not one of them.
Her statement made it all about HER being a victim of P’s lies. Nothing about the poor young man who was the actual victim here.
She would have been better to say nothing than that self-indulgent statement.
Holly is not the only person who should go - Martin Frizzell and other show/channel bigwigs should go too.

Her career is in tatters by association.

Yes of course PS is the one who lied, deceived etc however why was she all fake and telling him live on air that she’d be there for him forever when he “came out”?

She’s a poor judge of character to not see how badly he treated his wife and family. That’s not blaming her for his actions, however she was happy to continue working with him until the shit hit the fan.

Excellent points and I’d be happy to explore then further on a thread about PS. There are many of them so just tag me in one and I’ll join in.

This thread is about HW (see the title)

You haven’t respond to my points about HW and the normalisation and encouragement of women to facilitate abuse so I don’t know what agenda you have here.

If you want to participate in the conversation let me know. If not then enjoy your day.

I think Holly will go and move on to other things. This drama will hang around her otherwise - and in particularly the coming out episode when PS wasn't honest about his circumstances.