Holly willoboughly

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Ok I know I've spelt her surname wrong... but here we are. We all know who I'm talking about!

I just don't understand why social media has turned on her, almost blaiming her for allowing Phillip S antics to go on?

Why is she responsible for his actions????

And for those saying "she must've known"... maybe she didn't! Maybe she kept out of it or maybe she didn't know the full one and puts.
Why so she being Blaine's. Am I missing something??!

Let's be honest it suited Holly to "not know". I expect her husband advised her this was the best course of action. Guessing this has been rumbling for the last few weeks that the truth was coming out hence her sudden change towards him and her early half term break. Think it's too little too late from her tbh.

Men have to take responsibility for their own behaviour.
As do men and women who are complicit, lie, cover up, or turn a blind eye to other’s behaviour.
Holly was in a position of power - it is completely disingenuous - to paint her otherwise.
She wasn’t just a colleague. She was his best friend for years, their whole personas were completely wrapped up in each other’s.
The best thing she can do to salvage her career and move on from her association with Philip is to resign.

Yes I believe so, though if the girl was under 16 I think could still have been a case of indecent assault so in practical terms 16. Consent for gay males went from not-at-all to 21 to 18 to 16.

She is absolutely not responsible for his behaviour, and the woman who did complain about him was booted from the show.

HW just backed the wrong horse for the sake of her own career- took a punt that their popularity was untouchable. I imagine her arse started falling out round about queuegate time, when it became clear that public opinion was turning.

When you lie with dogs, you may pick up fleas. I'm not sure her insta statements are doing her many favours at the moment.

100% agree

We don't know if she knew or not. We don't actually know if they were really best friends or they made it look that way for the programme. If she says he lied to her then I believe that he did because he knew what would happen if people knew the truth. I think she knew he was gay and having affairs but not with mm.

I personally do not have a lot of time for enablers. Enablers being those who turn a blind eye to powerful people mistreating others poorly and unethically . Its not a great character trait - be it a man or woman.

There is something wrong with the overall internal moral compass of enablers, they don't have the gut wrenching internal pain warning that something is wrong, they will then be off about everything in life, if they are off about something this infront of their nose.

As for the tribal posters lacking critical thinking shouting misogyny, they are no better than those who come up in a serious case review as protecting institutional reputation.

HW is responsible for her own actions.

That does include having an exceptionally close relationship with Schofield outside work.

She could have had a professional relationship only. And thats part of Holly's problem now.

Given the rumour - which she will have known about - she continued to have this close relationship and supported him during his 'coming out' behind the scenes, rather than distance herself.

She clearly took sides in this respect and decided to favour Schofield. Thats where the fallout is for her. And thats about poor judgment.

Agreed.

@DamnAndDashIt @RedToothBrush I completely agree.
I reckon he’s out to drag as many people down with him as possible and that there’s no way others didn’t know wtf was going on.
The photos of his colleagues consoling him when he came out were nauseating, fawning over him, thereby being complicit in the coverup that’s now been blown wide open.
i’m sure there’s lots more to come to light, he’s never going to shut up and be quiet.

She’s deleted her Instagram statement.

My issue with HW is that it looks like she is only in it for herself. She was supposedly best friends with PS for all these years which suited her and her career at the time and it's only when it became apparent that the shit was about to hit the fan that she eventually tried to distance herself from him.

The rumours have been rife been on the internet for ages so she must have been aware of the rumours. PS may very well have lied to her but surely she is not so dim that she didn't think it was strange that there are rumours about a relationship with a runner, ITV apparently investigated the rumours of the relationship with the runner and questioned other staff (presumably including her), runner suddenly disappears over to Lose Women under a cloud just as PS decides to announce he is gay along with rumours of a super injunction. I would have more respect if she was honest and said she was worried about the implications for her career and was told she had to toe the This Morning line and is now willing to name and shame the execs who tried to keep it under wraps.

She and her team probably have no idea what to do and are watching the Internet to see responses, thing is she has at least 1 teenager I think he's 14 so he will have tik tok or whatever and reading all this, she shouldn't have had such a personal relationship with a workmate the BFF nonsense has bit her on the arse.

People saying anyone who casts a side at Holly is misogynistic is ridiculous m. No one has blamed her for what he did.

Some people simply don’t believe she didn’t know. And as the shit was about to hit the fan, cut him loose to save herself. Enablers are also wrong. It doesn’t mean the act is their fault, but it’s wrong. And people can believe he is responsible for what he did, but that she knew and supported him.

I don’t know whether I believe or not. I have seen some people so on awe of someone they believe anything they tell them. But I struggle to believe that when Ruth put a complaint in, there were so many rumours, saw PS with MM, saw MM all of sudden get plenty of screen time etc that she it did raise red flags to her. However, some people will believe whatever they are told if it’s in their self interest. You see it all the time when a person is accused of cheating and despite evidence their partner believes they didn’t.

i think it’s more likely that she did know, but fell for his ‘you can’t help you love. He seduced me, I was so flattered and confused. It’s so hard being gay and hiding it from the world. The backlash will only because I am gay, it’s all homophobia. Poor me I am the victim’

i think when it came out he knew his brother was abusing a young child and his response was ‘you can’t do that again’ rather than actually do something to stop it, her blinkers fell off.

But also get why people think she knew, actively supported him and then fucked him off when he wasn’t useful anymore. And that is about her actions, not about wether she is a woman or not.

Props @RedToothBrush for hitting the nail on the head on each post I've seen on this thread and possibly another. Succinct and eloquent and wise.

Bohoo the party is over for Holy, go enjoy your memories and children Holly and leave the public life, that's some advice for your PR team.

You can't safeguard your own children, you can't safeguard your more vulnerable colleagues and you can't safeguard the public, you should go away.

Not only is it misogyny it’s based entirely on assumption.

Everyone knew about the rumours, but HW is not in a position to know what was going on behind closed doors. She asked him outright and he lied to her face. Alleging that she knew for sure and kept her silence is completely unsubstantiated.

Arseholes lie. He lied to his wife, he lied to ITV, there’s no reason to think he didn’t lie to HW.

ITV are at fault for protecting him, and that’s what patriarchies do - they promote and protect the most revolting men. ITV and PS himself should be held responsible, not the people have to work with them.

I felt extremely sorry for Susannah Reid having to work with Piers Morgan.
Another massive arsehole.

Who are the people making the decisions to keep these arsehole men in positions of power?

Why should ITV to blame?

If he lied and lied to everyone and Holly and the ITV bosses believed him, why are they at fault?

If you believe Holly completely believed him and so holds no blame for helping cover up or enabling. The surely the ITV bosses are in the same situation?

A woman runs ITV - a woke one.

Just like two women who ran Stonewall and a woman ran Mermaids and Teresa May was running the country who brought in anti woman and safeguarding.

I am sick off this narrative that women can't be evil. They can be just as personality disordered as a man can when in a position of power or trust. We just swapped positions of power from abusive men to abusive women.I

Misogyny on this thread is the homophobe on Philips threads.

HW chose to believe PS. Just as 100s of women choose to believe men they’re closely involved with all over these forums.

What does distancing even look like when you have to work with someone day in day out? She can’t distance herself. She would have to have resigned - I do not see why a women should have go lose her job over male misbehaviour.
It’s the job of ITV to regulate the behaviour of their employees not their colleagues.

If women resigned every time we had work with arseholes we would all be unemployed.

So hold her accountable, and whole patriarchal institutions - which allows men such as PS and PM to be promoted to powerful positions and then abuse their power.

That’s where the fault lies, not with the men’s colleagues.

Ditto. I remember my friend said Jason D def wasn't gay, and PS def was. We were astonished! We were the same age as the friend who had already broken into TV, but obviously v massive at the time. We were sure we'd be able to tell 🙄 didn't know about the horrendous age gaps though, until some very obvious pop bitch stuff in the 90s.

"very naive"...