Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

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I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

I think you are being a little harsh on twats there.

It’s not obvious at all. Plenty of famous people have done a speeding awareness course. Suella’s hardly a prime earner for paparazzi or amateur shots is she?

If our elected officials are so special that they can’t participate in the same legal requirements as everyone else then perhaps we need to consider making them surrender their driving licenses until they leave office.

It would not have been had she hired a lawyer and asked them to sort it, or just taken the points and fine. Either are viable solutions.

Using your position as a minister and asking civil servants to intervene in your personal problem....isn't.

That she asked civil servants, employed and paid from taxpayer money - to sort a private issue IS very much the issue and definitely breaches the ministerial code and she should be sacked.

I don't understand why people don't get this. What other personal issues should ministers be allowed to ask civil servants to resolve, like a team of publicly paid personal staff.

HarrietPierce
My husband disabled his camera so was not seen himself but could still see the host and join in the meeting

Apparently not allowed by the course provider;
When the civil servants refused, she reportedly sought help from a political aide, who requested the course organiser provide a private session, or allow her to use an alias or turn her camera off.
When the provider refused, Ms Braverman opted to take the three points on her licence, the paper reported.

Apparently the tories losing the next GE will resurrect the ghost of Corbyn.

wooooo 👻

I agree.

She's unpopular; she knows she's unpopular, to the point where she may well fear certain repercussions, even if only verbal.

She asks if it's possible to have a private training session so she won't be on a live call with tens of other people

They say no.

She pays the fine and accepts the points.

Storm in a fucking teacup.

The Home Secretary did seem to be saying earlier today in the House that Labour were responsible for cutting police numbers whilst the Tories were in government, so it is not a massive leap to her previous resignation being Labour's fault as well.

All factual points but the problem is that she attempted to use the civil service as her personal PA service. That’s the breech.

It’s also a big clue into what her conduct is like more generally that it wasn’t just ignored.

This

I'm with OP, finding this a tedious scandal. Whole thing suggests she's thick not entitled. There are better reasons to find SB objectionable !!

Arrange them a loan?

Ministers are in charge of their departments and must be able to run them the way they want in order to meet the priorities of the British people which are ensure the rich are enrich further whilst the poor get poorer.

Bingo!

Last week we were being told that the Tories at the NatC convention had consulted the ghost of Thatcher, so you may well be right.

Would you like to be uploaded to social media doing a speed awareness course, with all the knuckle draggers laughing and jeering at you for being a loser?

HarrietPierce
My husband disabled his camera so was not seen himself but could still see the host and join in the meeting

Apparently not allowed by the course provider;

Well it was certainly allowed by my husband's course provider.

Agreed

Was it also the fault of labour when she was forced to resign over other breaches less than a year ago?

Well duh. Didn't you know that Kier Starmer was in the car next to her making sure she sent that confidential email from her private email account.....

Well it was certainly allowed by my husband's course provider.

I can't believe that they'd let someone do that.

She needs a holiday. Rwanda?

It is refreshing to see the ministerial code actually having some importance, if the Nolan Principles could also be upheld that would also be lovely.

She’s a nasty piece of work, and it’s one of many signs of the Tory’s complete lack of ethics that she was made Home Secretary after being sacked for breaching the ministerial code. But I’m not clear that the current uproar about her is justified. If her account is accurate she would not appear to have breached the code. I haven’t seen anything that counters her account in the papers that is from a source with first hand information, only people getting outraged about a narrative with no evidence.

I can see why people are primed to believe it. The Torys have shown they are more than happy to lie through their teeth until the facts are laid bare in the hope of covering them up (and then lie some more and claim they didn’t lie and it’s not of consequence anyway). So Braverman’s own account holds no weight. But equally, hyperbolic stories about politicians are two a penny and should generally be given equally little weight until there is evidence.

jgw1
do you have a list of laws that it is acceptable for people to break, or does it only apply to Tory politicians?
Oh I do hope that our resident cutnpastova expert comes along to join the party

If you insist - I could mention Harriet Harman again - chair of the privileges committee deciding Boris Johnson's fate:

2010 Labour deputy leader treated leniently, campaigners claim
Harman, a QC, was solicitor general...
January 2003 - Banned from driving for seven days and fined £400 after admitting speeding at 99mph on the M4 near Swindon.
September 2007 - Pleaded guilty by post to a speeding offence...
January 2010 - Fined £350 and given three penalty points...
A witness was reported to have said that Harman had wound down her window after the crash and said: "I'm Harriet Harman, you know where you can get hold of me."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/jan/08/harriet-harman-motoring-fiine

@AnarchoTyrannosaurus
It still doesn't entitle her to have special treatment.

My boss had to do one of these & he only had his camera on when speaking to the trainer.