Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

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I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

Topical debate! In today's Politico -

Up yours! When politicians give the middle finger
From Ancient Greece to modern-day France, politicians love flipping the bird.

https://www.politico.eu/article/up-yours-when-politicians-give-the-middle-finger/

Yes, there would be the same outrage, because if Angela Rayner asks a civil servant to do something for her that relates solely to her personal life she would be breaking the Ministerial Code. Goodness knows why Braverman supporters can't grasp that.

@CabernetSauvignon snap, I don't understand people who seem to think workplace rules shouldn't apply to people they're politically fond of. The code is the code and no matter what party you adhere to, you have to abide by it. It really should be simple.

It's almost as if Tory fans think rules shouldn't apply to their lords and masters.

Why should a minister expect to trust the civil service to keep quiet when they decide to break the ministerial code? It's their duty to report it. There isn't and cannot be some childish "no snitching" code.

Where do you get PM for 3 months before lockdown from? Johnson had been PM for one day short of 8 months.

The trouble is these civil servants did not go to the right schools and do not know there place.
They ought to line up and doff their caps each morning to their superiors before they get on with the business of ensuring their masters every whim is adherred to.

Majority of Telegraph readers do not think Suella Braverman should resign. Exclusive poll finds that 82pc of over 3,000 readers think Ms Braverman should remain as Home Secretary after her speeding fine row.

What has Braverman's question got to do with it? The salient question here with the one put four times to the SpAD about whether she had had a speeding fine, to which the response was denial. No SpAD is going to do that without instructions.

Come off it, we know it wasn't a work gathering, not least because his wife and his interior decorator were there. He and Sunak even accepted that it was a work gathering by paying the fines.

You of course know perfectly well that a gathering only had to be a gathering to be against the rules, it didn't have to be a party.

Do you imagine that a load of Labour supporters are going to leap to the defence of the above in the same manner as blindly loyal Tory supporters do if one of their idols is disgraced?

I doubt it somehow. That appears to be unique to the Tory fan club.

Majority of Telegraph readers do not think Suella Braverman should resign. Exclusive poll finds that 82pc of over 3,000 readers think Ms Braverman should remain as Home Secretary after her speeding fine row

I genuinely don’t give a shit what 3k telegraph readers think. You’re just quoting the results of an echochamber asking itself if it’s right.

That would have been a perfectly reasonable answer, yes. However, people aren't reasonable. They're often crap under pressure or say the wrong thing or just totally mess up.

Sums up the whole last 4 years (minimum) of the Tory party.

But sadly they can't give reasonable answers.

But every answer they give seems to include the word "reasonable".

Well in my place of work of the direct line manager hasn't pulled up staff it's usually because a) where we've had previously weak leaders who turn a bling eye to their juniors who are my line managers so a negative culture is bred or b) where the top dogs have created a culture by their behaviour.

Oh, Telegraph readers (read: fanatical Tories) think she shouldn't resign.

Guess everyone else who thinks differently is wrong then.
Seriously, Clav? 1/10

The difference I'd Boris was a few yards from his residence. Durham is a bit far to go back to London for a meal during the working day

Actually the difference is that one was against the rules at the time and the other wasn't against the rules of the time.

Doesn't matter if both events were completely equal when what you could do in 2020 and what you could do in 2021 differed wildly.

I think it is important to remember that only the subset of Torygraph readers who are party members are of any interest to Suella.

I'm actually seriously considering asking my boss if it's ok to break the rules of work because there's a chance my neighbour who isn't employed by the, may be employed by them in the future and may do the same thing.

But Labour is such a weak argument.

It's replaced but Jeremy Corbyn (and I couldn't stand him so wouldn't actually stand up for him!)

But I won't and don't get saying the Tory's can do x y and z in case Labour do the same in 2056!!!!!

Cornettoninja
Do you imagine that a load of Labour supporters are going to leap to the defence of the above in the same manner as blindly loyal Tory supporters do if one of their idols is disgraced?

I have quite clearly stated that Neil Parish's behaviour was of course, unacceptable, however I wouldn't go as far as to describe him as 'scum', no.

Alexandra2001
People who vote to keep food of the plates of poor school children are scum, any reasonable person would see that.

Sir David Amess voted with the government on the free school meal vote. He was by all accounts a much-liked MP who worked hard for his constituents - therefore most reasonable people would not agree with you.

And the Tory "most reasonable people" line has finally a,de an appearance.

Fwiw my very much loved but now retired local Tory councillor was for keeping free school meals during covid.

Now he's a Tory I respected massively. He actually did masses good locally.

And yesterday it was announced our Tory held council (Bravermans) is in £2.6 million debt.

itsgettingweird
Doesn't matter if both events were completely equal when what you could do in 2020 and what you could do in 2021 differed wildly

Actually, the rules were quite similar comparing the two events - outdoor gatherings of up to 6 people were permitted on both dates. Non essential retail had opened on Boris Johnson's birthday...

I have quite clearly stated that Neil Parish's behaviour was of course, unacceptable, however I wouldn't go as far as to describe him as 'scum', no

You don’t have to refer to him as scum, it’s still pretty incomprehensible that you’d feel inclined to defend him to someone who might choose to.

I wouldn’t feel inclined to defend any of the people in the links you posted, certainly not because they are members of a political party that might occasionally align with my views.

Actually, the rules were quite similar comparing the two events

Similar isn’t the same.

itsgettingweird
And the Tory "most reasonable people" line has finally made an appearance

Specifically worded in response to Alexandra2001's "any reasonable person" tagline.

There’s a surprise. What would be astonishing is if over 80% of Telegraph readers didn’t think that.

Maybe Johnson should have had his cake in Tescos - then it would have been allowed!

But as both "events" were during work time and those were the rules applied it's irrelevant what you could do outside work.

I'm 2020 you could have a gathering for birthdays anywhere.

In 2021 you could gather for work purposes.

People can argue all they want but the rules were the rules and the judgements were made based on those. One was found along side plenty of others to contravene the rules and FPNs were issued. One wasn't. It's not rocket science 🤷‍♀️

Johnson's birthday party was an outdoor shopping trip and that is why Suella has done nothing wrong.