Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

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I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

Was Jenkyns gesturing at NatCs or the Tory party?

I've never flounced. I sometimes get bored with the constant double standards but noone has ever caused a 'flounce'. I comment on very few Tory related threads as the same cake cake cake posters tend to regurgitate the same old But Jezza stuff.

Thanks for calling me a Queen, suits me tbh.

You said that I had stated she was on the telly telling the british public to fuck off.

She flipped the bird (meaning fuck off) to a crowd of British. And doing it was caught on camera so we know exactly what she was saying to us.

'She flipped the bird (meaning fuck off) to a crowd of British. And doing it was caught on camera so we know exactly what she was saying to us.'

She gesticulated crudely to an abusive mob. That is not 'telling the British people to fuck off' no matter how many times you say it.

They weren't an abusive mob. Well... she would say that wouldn't she. In trying to make out it was OK to tell those people to fuck off.

You seem quite comfortable with that sort of behaviour from a Minister.

I'm not.

That's it really isn't it?

The double standards are mind blowing. Pearls clutched when Rayner calls Tories scum but defence of a government minister gesturing “Fuck off” at a crowd of British voters. It’s not exactly encouraging anyone to vote for them.

MrsSkylerWhite
Fairly accurate description of someone watching porn in the chamber and whilst serving on a select committee, I’d say.

Angela Rayner called Tory MP Chris Clarkson 'scum' during a House of Commons debate in October 2020 - you are thinking of Neil Parish, a different MP.
Rayner later issued an apology to Mr Clarkson.

Roussette
At least Angela Rayner apologised. Andrea Jenkyns made a point of not apologising but saying "I'm only human"

Rayner refused to apologise in September 2021 after she used the 'scum' insult again during a late-night speech at the Labour party conference. She eventually apologised following the murder of Sir David Amess;

15 October 2021
Angela Rayner was tonight facing fresh pressure to apologise for her 'Tory scum' comments at the Labour party conference in the wake of Conservative MP Sir David Amess' murder.
...[Rayner's] name and the phrase 'Tory scum', which she used in front of Labour supporters last month, was trending on Twitter this evening, as many called on her to retract the statement.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10097001/Angela-Rayner-faces-pressure-apologise-Tory-scum-comments-wake-David-Amess-murder.html

Andrea Jenkyns was a parliamentary under-secretary for three months - she was sacked by Rishi Sunak when he became prime minister.

Why do you type out what I know?

Pointless

@Janiie Boris Johnson broke the law by having an illegal birthday party. No matter how many times you say he didn't he did.

££s.

TheHandmaiden
The qualitative difference between a Cabinet in say 2008 or 2010 and 2022 was quite significant.

Who knows what challenges lie ahead 12/18 months from now (Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan) - I'm not convinced that Labour's John Healey is the man to be our next Secretary of State for Defence - I'd much rather have Ben Wallace;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Healey_(politician)

There's a lot of hype surrounding Rachel Reeves' role at the Bank of England as well - she'd left the BoE by the age of 27 - moving to the retail mortgage department at the Bank of Scotland.

A strong argument for an immediate general election, so that we can put the Tory children out of their misery.

Alexandra2001
I don't understand this comment, the Tories gave us Austerity

25 March 2010
Alistair Darling admitted tonight that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017 that would follow the chancellor's "treading water" budget;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

Thebestwaytoscareatory
Janiie, for instance, appears to be physically incapable of not commenting on a tory related thread

Somewhat ironic given your username, although I get the impression that Janiie is not 'scared' of you at all.

Given that we seem to be having But Alastiar Darling and But Lord Falconer, has But Jeremy Corbyn run his race?

I can't help but noticing we are 27 pages into this thread and there is not a single thread in praise of the Home Secretary.

@Clavinova - we may disagree, but there is a broader point. The reason the 2019 government failed was quality. These were people who decided to berate and antagonize the civil service, who are notably aggressive in manner seemingly in public and private. They went for the people who delivered their work and even Thatcher wasn't so stupid. But this was the narrative from the off. It was strategically stupid.

That is critical as to why Johnson's government failed, and continues to as Sunak keeps people like Braverman on. He is too weak to change it.

Labour will of course have their own chance to be good or bad. My point is that you might have been able to predict that some of the current Cabinet would have problems, and that might have been indicated in their achievements and their own qualities. Notably, I understand the Conservatives have decided to vet their candidates much more carefully as they used to, prior to 2019. There is a reason for that

Alexandra2001
tbh if someone asked me "how many were with you at X venue?" i'd number the people i knew, not everyone and his dog, Curry turned up

Starmer was asked how many people were there in total.

Pubs are shut if they don't let people in

He was photographed drinking on a pub terrace the week before Durham - he ate a restaurant meal, outside, in Hull the night before Durham.

Curry turned up... ffs of course it was ordered in advanced!

It was planned days/weeks in advance.

Look - it doesn't really matter whether Starmer was fined or not - he clearly lied, and more than once. He didn't follow the guidance for constituency visits (guidance is separate from legislation), the optics were bad, whatever the reason - he lied.

@Clavinova is that the most positive spin Tory HQ can put on Braverman?

Yes.

is that the most positive spin Tory HQ can put on Braverman?

Never underestimate her - I was amused by something I read in a critical piece in the Guardian from 2020;
To read Braverman you would think she had fallen in with the young Cherie Blair at Matrix Chambers...

If reports are correct, Braverman co-founded the Rwanda charity with Cherie Blair - so I guess she had 'fallen in' with Cherie Blair after all.

I certainly don't underestimate her. I can see exactly what she is like. Article worth a read

Academic Tallha Abdulrazaq says Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s vicious targeting of refugees, Muslims and Pakistanis means that describing her as “evil” could just be an understatement.

https://5pillarsuk.com/2023/04/25/cartoonish-suella-braverman-is-a-caricature-of-evil/

@Clavinova - Cherie Booth is not slow to claim a charitable initiative, but unless there's some evidence you can post here, my view is that this sounds very much like the time Suella wrote a legal textbook by doing the photocopying.

It is uncharacteristic of you not to post a link or extract

Is this the 2nd most positive think that HQ have on Braverman, that she met Cherie Blair a few times?

It is a real shame that there is no place for reasoned political argument in this country. Every forum seems to descend into abuse and name calling. I wonder if this is deliberately to deter moderate people from having their say, because, after all, who wants to be called scum or racist or ignorant just for expressing a view that others do not agree with.

TheHandmaiden
@ Clavinova - Cherie Booth is not slow to claim a charitable initiative, but unless there's some evidence you can post here, my view is that this sounds very much like the time Suella wrote a legal textbook by doing the photocopying

It is uncharacteristic of you not to post a link or extract

I read it in several mainstream newspaper articles, which is why I posted; If reports are correct... However, I have found this article from 2011 - so I guess it's true;

Justice, Stability and Prosperity:
Building Fair Legal Systems for Africa
By Cherie Blair, Contributor...
Co-authored by Philip Riches and Suella Fernandes...
Africa Justice Foundation is a new charity set up by UK lawyers, including the three of us...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/post_b_804709