Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

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I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

Suella's main achievement as Home Secretary is writing something with an ex Prime Minister's wife 12 years ago.

Awesome, I am sure she is really proud.

I can see why this was not overstated. Tbh this charity no longer exists and it does not seem that Cherie Blair did very much. But it is pretty relevant Braverman effectively trained in some instances or arranged training for those government officials who will manage the scheme if anyone is ever deported from the UK.

Interesting

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I certainly don't underestimate her. I can see exactly what she is like. Article worth a read
Academic Tallha Abdulrazaq says Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s vicious targeting of refugees, Muslims and Pakistanis means that describing her as “evil” could just be an understatement

Looks as though academic Tallha Abdulrazaq enjoys upsetting people himself;
The Middle East Institute (MEI) takes hate speech and discrimination very seriously and shares the widespread objections to the recent tweets by Dr. Tallha Abdulrazaq, which were first brought to our attention and strongly condemned by Gonul Tol, director of MEI's Turkey Program. His tweet was inflammatory, offensive, and against our organization’s values...
https://mei.edu/statement-regarding-recent-tweet-tallha-abdulrazaq

I'm more interested in what he's written about Braverman to be honest

Good digging though. Bet you hated that article

I think it's pretty shite that people like Johnson lies repeatedly in the HoC, and that Braverman refuses to answer questions, and neither has apologised for that.

Sorry, horrible grammar. Should be " ...people like Johnson lie repeatedly ..."

No, I didn't say the party/government were full of competent MPs and ministers. Bu there were rather more competent people in both Cameron's government than there were in Johnson's, not least because there were more people who understood what bollocks Brexit is. And, of course, it really isn't difficult to be more competent than the majority of Johnson's and Sunak's ministers.

I don't feel Suella did anything wrong. She didn't seek to avoid the course. She only wanted to do it in private. I feel the media will always bash the current government no matter what.

There's only one person who obsesses about cake, and that's our Janiie.

Somehow she never manages to comment on posts pointing out that Johnson wasn't booted because of his social activities during lockdown, but ultimately had to resign because none of his party would support him after he allowed a known sex molester into a position of power over junior MPs and then lied about it and sent ministers out to lie for him

Andrea Jenkyns was a parliamentary under-secretary for three months - she was sacked by Rishi Sunak when he became prime minister.

It's a role that, before and after her appointment, was a ministerial one with responsibility for higher and further education, including universities and student loans. That is a major responsibility given the importance and stature of our universities, the importance of further education in producing people with skills for work, and the size of the student loans budget. It doesn't take Einstein to point out that at the time she was appointed no-one knew she would be sacked so quickly. The fact is that a Tory government thought it was OK to put into a responsible position in the DfE someone as useless as Jenkyns who thought it was fine to flip the bird knowing that her delightful gesture would be on show to the entire nation and beyond.

So are you convinced that Braverman is your woman to be Home Secretary after the election? Are you confident that the party that appointed Raab, Grayling, Hancock, Zahawi and Kwarteng, and that had to scrape as far into the dregs as Lee Anderson for Deputy Chairman, could put together a reasonable cabinet in future?

I haven't seen anyone on this thread called any of those things. Of course, if they are actually racist on MN they may well be called racist, but I can't say I recall anyone being called racist just for expressing different views from others. The trouble is, of course, that racists rarely if ever acknowledge their racism, so they may think it's perfectly fine to express a racist opinion and that it's outrageous to be called out on it.

Tell you something doesn't it when a country that controls and has a mostly predominant right wing media is struggling to get them inside?

Have you seen the state of the UK's Gilt market? highest Govt borrowing costs in the G7... even higher than Italy's now..... with run away, embedded inflation (core inflation increasing) what exactly are Hunts qualifications to run the economy or what has the Tory party put in place to prevent them voting in another Truss as PM ?

As well as the UK has done in Ukraine, the UKs defence forces have been run down to the point were even a US General said they are now not capable of defending the UK.

I see the Kept animal (live exports) bill has been dropped too, banning live animal exports was an apparent win from Brexit, possibly the only one but even its champion (said in a speech last year) Rishi, has got rid of it.

Seems there is nothing they wont lie about to try and secure the votes of the gullible.

The trouble is, when asked about it both in the House of Commons and on interviews, she wouldn't answer. Which makes that excuse look blatantly like something that Central Office came up with when the story started to emerge.

We don't know that she didn't seek to avoid the course, since Sunak refuses to have an inquiry into it. I wonder why he doesn't want an inquiry?

Exactly.

Of your running the country and accountable to electorate - you hold an inquiry that says "this is what happened. It was routine. Nothing to see here".

If you want to hide something to refuse to answer, tell a select few details that don't make it out you did something wrong and refuse to allow someone independent to report the actual event factually.

We have a lot of the second happening with this government recently.

Therefore IMO we need a GE.

And before anyone starts with "you would say that your a Labour supporter".

I'm not. I'm a swing voter and always have been. I don't trust this current government and current Tory party and want the opportunity to vote in a new government whatever that may be. I don't care too much as long as they are competent, restore public services to some kind of functioning level and can tell the truth!

There has never been any suggestion Braverman tried to avoid the course. Remember the initial complaint? I do - she asked a civil servant if she was able to do the course 121 rather than in a group (and was told she couldn't, incorrectly as it turns out). I know the main themes of the thread have veered inconsistently between she was expecting special treatment and she shouldn't have asked a civil servant but thus is a totally new one.

Should I have said, we don't know if she sort to avoid doing the course in the same way as anyone else who was caught speeding?

121 courses are available and taken fairly often by people from certain groups. Either Braverman's actual behaviour was bad or it wasn't so we need to insinuate ridiculous made-up allegations to really get people on side.

The allega wasn't that she tried to avoid the course but that she tried to use civil service staff to organise it which is a breach of the ministerial code. She could have stopped the allegations in their tracks by being open about what happened. She chose to obfuscate so if people are draw adverse conclusions she has only herself to blame.

Thats not my memory. The first reports were that she asked the civil service to organise it for her.
That's what the government is avoiding? Why? It makes me think they are all doing it.

There's also a question mark about why she wanted 1-1. Her defenders talk about security, but what is the security risk with an online course? The reality is that she wanted to avoid embarrassment and thought, by telling her SpAD to lie, that she could keep the fine quiet.

Can you provide any evidence that such courses are available for people who are taking them to avoid prosecution? I certainly can't. Training providers do offer courses for business that can be individual but these are not offered as part of the alternative to prosecution as far as I can see.

So in my view arranging such a course would be a special privilege not afforded to the general public. Asking civil servants to arrange such due to the impact on Braverman's political reputation was a breach of the ministerial code.