Page 5 | Be Kind - Schofield/Willoughby

reachingfeverpitch · 2023-05-21T20:52:33+00:00

The internet seems full of awful comments about Philip Schofield and Holly Willoughby. People should perhaps remember what happened to Caroline Flack!

gogohmm · 22/05/2023 08:25

We don't know the full story behind Caroline Flack because it never went to court, it was far more complicated than the narrative people want to believe (tabloids, Twitter bad, pretty young woman good). Equally we only know the evidence in the public domain re PS and his brother, the police can only convict on charges they can prove, the full extent of his behaviour we can't know nor what PS's role in trying to prevent offending was. How about we hound nobody! PS has stepped down, let him slip away in obscurity

Eeeeny · 22/05/2023 08:26

Well,that went well @reachingfeverpitch

Dedodee · 22/05/2023 08:29

I had very little idea who Caroline Flack was when she assaulted her bf.
It was reported that she attacked her bf while he slept.
If a man had done that to a woman #bekind wouldn’t get a look in.
Yes, the press did hound her. However the term show trial for a domestic abuser seems rather insulting to victims of domestic abuse.

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:29

SchoolShenanigans · 22/05/2023 08:19

YANBU. I've researched why people hate him as I thought I'd missed something. I hadn't. People seem to think he's responsible for his brother's actions.

I highly doubt, anyone would call the police on their sibling if they admitted to watching porn with a 17 year old. I'd probably do exactly what Philip did, come down hard and tell them never to do it again. But I wouldn't be reporting my sibling over that one incident.

People are just looking for a scapegoat.

And plenty of people end their relationships after 30 years - if his wife can accept it, then others should calm the fuck down.

The reality is, most people aren't kind. And they're major hypocrites too.

Somehow I don't think you've really grasped exactly what his brother did or how Phillip dealt with that information.

SchoolShenanigans · 22/05/2023 08:29

gogohmm · 22/05/2023 08:25

We don't know the full story behind Caroline Flack because it never went to court, it was far more complicated than the narrative people want to believe (tabloids, Twitter bad, pretty young woman good). Equally we only know the evidence in the public domain re PS and his brother, the police can only convict on charges they can prove, the full extent of his behaviour we can't know nor what PS's role in trying to prevent offending was. How about we hound nobody! PS has stepped down, let him slip away in obscurity

Exactly this. People comparing him to Jimmy Saville are not only being unfair to Philip, they're also inadvertently minimising the crimes of Jimmy. They aren't the same. We don't know the full details.

Back off. He's already lost his job and been in every paper over it. He doesn't need a bunch of nasty social media users hounding him.

SchoolShenanigans · 22/05/2023 08:31

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:29

Somehow I don't think you've really grasped exactly what his brother did or how Phillip dealt with that information.

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Is Philip his brother? No.

Did Philip commit a crime? No.

I've grasped the issue, which is, people love drama. People may not like Philip, that's fair enough, but to insinuate he's a criminal or deserves public flogging for the actions of his brother is just nonsense.

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:33

@SchoolShenanigans just wait.

bellac11 · 22/05/2023 08:38

Dedodee · 22/05/2023 08:29

I had very little idea who Caroline Flack was when she assaulted her bf.
It was reported that she attacked her bf while he slept.
If a man had done that to a woman #bekind wouldn’t get a look in.
Yes, the press did hound her. However the term show trial for a domestic abuser seems rather insulting to victims of domestic abuse.

It beggars belief that people talk about her as if she was the victim in all of that. Using words like fragile, troubled, needed support, well so do most people who have MH problems and are violent because of it and that applies to a lot of violent men but th narrative would be entirely different if this had been a man

bellac11 · 22/05/2023 08:39

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:29

Somehow I don't think you've really grasped exactly what his brother did or how Phillip dealt with that information.

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I dont really care what happens to him or doesnt happen to him but from what Ive read (and its only on here to be honest), his brother didnt disclose any crime to him, he said he was having a relationship with a young person 16, what crime would Schofield report and to who?

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 22/05/2023 08:45

I understand #bekind in certain circumstances ie a reality TV contestant gets the villain edit and they suddenly receive death threats from the fans or abuse hurled at them in the streets.

However if there are actual nasty pieces of work like PH who enabled and supported a child rapist, then no, #bekind is not applicable.

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:48

@bellac11 so why has he left the show then? Wonder what it could be as he's done nothing wrong in your eyes?

bellac11 · 22/05/2023 08:54

greencardigangirl · 22/05/2023 08:48

@bellac11 so why has he left the show then? Wonder what it could be as he's done nothing wrong in your eyes?

Your skills at mind reading are really poor, you need to brush up. I didnt say whether he did or didnt do anything wrong. I merely referenced the narrative about reporting a crime about his brother, if he is to believed (and who knows that) he was not told of any crime.

Try not to be so hostile to people

Robinni · 22/05/2023 08:58

There’s a difference between assaulting a boyfriend… and enabling a paedophile.

Both bad. But clearly child endangerment is the bigger issue.

AbreathofFrenchair · 22/05/2023 09:02

SchoolShenanigans · 22/05/2023 08:31

Is Philip his brother? No.

Did Philip commit a crime? No.

I've grasped the issue, which is, people love drama. People may not like Philip, that's fair enough, but to insinuate he's a criminal or deserves public flogging for the actions of his brother is just nonsense.

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His brother told him he was engaging in the sexual abuse of a child and Phil did nothing with that information

And YOU think that's ok?

So if your sibling was mutually masterbating to porn with a child, you would keep that to yourself? Wow. What makes you better than them at this point?

You might as well say you enable paedophilia and be done with it

Aaaaandbreathe · 22/05/2023 09:12

VeggieSalsa · 21/05/2023 22:23

Domestic violence incidents should
be taken to court. There was an argument and an injured party. It’s for the court to decide whether there is a case to answer.

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Agreed.

The media splashing it over every newspaper/SM site however...

MayThe4th · 22/05/2023 09:13

I’m sick of reading about them, and tbh this thread and most of the others like it are bordering on defamation. Because while people think they know what has happened, there is no definitive proof, and just because it’s on twitter doesn’t make it so.

As for claiming he deceived his wife for 30 years, get real. Of course she knew. Everyone seemed to know, or do you think that it was a sudden shock to her? None of us knows what goes on in someone else’s marriage.

I don’t particularly care for him and I have no idea why people give a shit about HW.

But #beKind is just a phrase for virtue signallers.

And FWIW Caroline Flack was a pretty vile human being as well. And if she’d been a man people would have said he’d killed himself as part of the manipulation and abuse process. It’s never a positive thing when someone ends their own life, but that is the only reason why people suddenly sainted Caroline Flack. Not because she was a lovely person after all. She wasn’t.

bellac11 · 22/05/2023 09:17

MayThe4th · 22/05/2023 09:13

I’m sick of reading about them, and tbh this thread and most of the others like it are bordering on defamation. Because while people think they know what has happened, there is no definitive proof, and just because it’s on twitter doesn’t make it so.

As for claiming he deceived his wife for 30 years, get real. Of course she knew. Everyone seemed to know, or do you think that it was a sudden shock to her? None of us knows what goes on in someone else’s marriage.

I don’t particularly care for him and I have no idea why people give a shit about HW.

But #beKind is just a phrase for virtue signallers.

And FWIW Caroline Flack was a pretty vile human being as well. And if she’d been a man people would have said he’d killed himself as part of the manipulation and abuse process. It’s never a positive thing when someone ends their own life, but that is the only reason why people suddenly sainted Caroline Flack. Not because she was a lovely person after all. She wasn’t.

Yes totally agree

Aaaaandbreathe · 22/05/2023 09:21

MayThe4th · 22/05/2023 09:13

I’m sick of reading about them, and tbh this thread and most of the others like it are bordering on defamation. Because while people think they know what has happened, there is no definitive proof, and just because it’s on twitter doesn’t make it so.

As for claiming he deceived his wife for 30 years, get real. Of course she knew. Everyone seemed to know, or do you think that it was a sudden shock to her? None of us knows what goes on in someone else’s marriage.

I don’t particularly care for him and I have no idea why people give a shit about HW.

But #beKind is just a phrase for virtue signallers.

And FWIW Caroline Flack was a pretty vile human being as well. And if she’d been a man people would have said he’d killed himself as part of the manipulation and abuse process. It’s never a positive thing when someone ends their own life, but that is the only reason why people suddenly sainted Caroline Flack. Not because she was a lovely person after all. She wasn’t.

So you don't particularly care for PS but we only think we know anything negative about him.

CF however was a vile human being and you know she wasn't a lovely person?

Okay.

MayThe4th · 22/05/2023 09:38

Aaaaandbreathe · 22/05/2023 09:21

So you don't particularly care for PS but we only think we know anything negative about him.

CF however was a vile human being and you know she wasn't a lovely person?

Okay.

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Given the amount of speculation on twitter you’d think the police would have been involved with PS by now. It may or may not be true, but at the moment it’s just all speculation.

CF however was waiting to go on trial for domestic violence. That’s pretty definitive.

And before anyone says “her boyfriend wanted the charges dropped,” yeah. So do a lot of female victims of DV. It means nothing.

I don’t think the suicide of anyone is ever ok. Even the most hardened criminals such as Fred West and Harold Shipman. I think it’s too simplistic to say that suicide is the coward’s way out when it’s someone whose death you will positively be celebrating, as opposed to someone you knew or didn’t know to be struggling. Suicide is always a way out, but anyone who ends their own life is clearly struggling in some way or other. But that fact doesn’t take away from the people they are in life. Fred West and Harold shipman were beyond contempt, and while I don’t celebrate their suicide I’m can’t bring myself to be sorry they’re dead.

CF was clearly a troubled individual to have taken her own life. We can acknowledge that but still accept that she wasn’t a nice person in life.

AbreathofFrenchair · 22/05/2023 09:49

MayThe4th · 22/05/2023 09:38

Given the amount of speculation on twitter you’d think the police would have been involved with PS by now. It may or may not be true, but at the moment it’s just all speculation.

CF however was waiting to go on trial for domestic violence. That’s pretty definitive.

And before anyone says “her boyfriend wanted the charges dropped,” yeah. So do a lot of female victims of DV. It means nothing.

I don’t think the suicide of anyone is ever ok. Even the most hardened criminals such as Fred West and Harold Shipman. I think it’s too simplistic to say that suicide is the coward’s way out when it’s someone whose death you will positively be celebrating, as opposed to someone you knew or didn’t know to be struggling. Suicide is always a way out, but anyone who ends their own life is clearly struggling in some way or other. But that fact doesn’t take away from the people they are in life. Fred West and Harold shipman were beyond contempt, and while I don’t celebrate their suicide I’m can’t bring myself to be sorry they’re dead.

CF was clearly a troubled individual to have taken her own life. We can acknowledge that but still accept that she wasn’t a nice person in life.

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Philip has taken out a gagging order preventing any young Male involved with him from talking.

But yeah, sure, he is the victim here.

Why are people tripping over themselves to constantly protect men like this?! Baffles me how much people try to normalise it, no wonder sexual assault, rape etc rarely gets reported and comes to a successful outcome on court where there are too many defenders trying to reason it away and make excuses for it

Excited101 · 22/05/2023 09:59

#bekind- shut up women, remember your place! You should always put the needs to others above your own, shut up and get back in your box…

no one ever says it to men.

FemaleKerrAvon · 22/05/2023 09:59

I have genuinely never understood the public support for Caroline Flack. She admitted to hitting her then boyfriend over the head while he slept. Yes she had mental health issues but then so did Tom Meighan and there’s been little public support for him.

Over40Overdating · 22/05/2023 10:02

Well perhaps if PS had been kinder to the many people he had relationships with over the years, personally and professionally, there wouldn’t be quite so many people publicly celebrating him getting his comeuppance. And it has nothing to do with his sexuality and everything to do with him being a bully, for decades.

Re the comments on him not being responsible for his brother’s crimes - certain details of that crime were not made public but likely will be in years to come by the person involved, and those claiming PS is being unfairly criticised for his lack of action will be singing a very different tune. Anyone with a shred of humanity would have gone to the police immediately instead of trying to save their own reputation by proxy.

FuckTheLemonsandBail · 22/05/2023 10:24

Be Kind is almost as facile and stupid as when people criticise women for criticising another woman because apparently if you're a woman you have to automatically support the choices and decisions of every other woman regardless of what they may be simply because both of you have a uterus or whatever. It's just so dumb.

Saw an anon post on fb the other day 'am I being unfair to distance myself from my neighbour? She's always asking for favours and help, she has six under six with four fathers and can't keep the lights on. I'm finding myself stressed every time I speak to her and she keeps asking for help'

'omg, BE KIND! What happened to women supporting women? You're terrible for judging! Judging is an appalling thing to do!' (Even though literally every human being on the planet makes judgments about things every hour of the day lol)

FuckTheLemonsandBail · 22/05/2023 10:26

FemaleKerrAvon · 22/05/2023 09:59

I have genuinely never understood the public support for Caroline Flack. She admitted to hitting her then boyfriend over the head while he slept. Yes she had mental health issues but then so did Tom Meighan and there’s been little public support for him.

I think the Be Kind thing that trended shortly afterwards really changed the public discourse on Caroline.

Suddenly anyone who had anything even remotely critical to say about somebody assaulting their partner with a weapon was shouted down with BE KIND even though it's okay to judge men who assault their female partners with weapons.

To this day it feels uncomfortable to pipe up quietly with '.... she ended her life because she didn't feel able to face the consequences of her actions/assault' because you just know it'll be met with a barrage of Be KiNd