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To let DD build a den in the communal garden?

160 replies

RequiresUpdating · 18/05/2023 08:13

We have a communal garden around our block of flats. Each ground floor flat also has their own garden.

When my DC were small, I kept a sunshade stand by the sand pit and bench (only fixed items in garden) to use when we were out.

Neighbour, when her eldest (now6) was small, fixed up a permanent sunshade. Which then became a tent with picnic table, which now has become a fenced off area, woodchip floor, tepee, picnic table, kids kitchen, plants planted into the communal area to give shade when they grow. Plus two swings on trees bordering the next property. She hasn't asked permission from anyone and even has her own garden!

TBh it pisses me off as it's the only
flat area of ground in the garden and my DC are too old/big to use it and now they have nowhere to play e.g Badminton or frisbee.

My DD, has over the past week or so been collecting twigs and lashing them together with string to make a den between two bushes in the corner of the garden where she and a couple of the older girls fit.

Yesterday a couple of kids from over the road came over to play and help. Late last night I got a message from the mum asking if she could come today and break down the den. I've no idea why. I've said I'm in and she can call and we can look at it together.

It's in my (communal) garden, not hers.
It's built with my string!
Is a den like this dangerous for some reason?

YABU - break it down
YANBU - can't see anything wrong with a den for the summer

To let DD build a den in the communal garden?
OP posts:
Daffodil92 · 18/05/2023 12:07

Let me get this straight-she doesn’t even live there?!
tell her to jog on 😂

Aprilx · 18/05/2023 12:08

RequiresUpdating · 18/05/2023 10:18

@Heartsnrainbows as its dangerous to wildlife but only because its string.

why is it dangerous to wildlife?
in case they eat it?
If she ties and cuts off any loose ends is it then ok?

@Hairbrushhandle not as far as I'm aware. And DD is usually pretty good about that kind of thing. The only person she'd banish is DS and he didn't complain!

Do you seriously not see how this could be a danger to wildlife? Confused. Something could get trapped obviously.

Personally I think it looks a mess and I would not be happy with this in my communal garden, I don’t think anybody should be building stuff in communal gardens unless there is agreement from everybody that shares the space.

But the other mum who does not share this garden, doesn’t get a say and you should tell her to mind her own business. If one of the people that does share the garden objects, then you need to take that onboard.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 18/05/2023 12:10

Heartsnrainbows · 18/05/2023 11:52

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts It doesn't stay in there though. Black bags become brittle and break and a lot of landfill sadly ends up in the sea.

For hedgehogs it's mostly that they get caught in it and try to chew their way out. Same with birds, squirrels etc, they get caught up in it and panic.

Precisely. It may not be disposed of in a waste incineration plant.

Which is why putting it in the bin isn't enough to ensure that no animal will get hurt, stuck etc.

Tessisme · 18/05/2023 12:10

Daffodil92 · 18/05/2023 12:07

Let me get this straight-she doesn’t even live there?!
tell her to jog on 😂

I was just about to give a long, wordy response, but this'll do. Pretty much sums up what I'm thinking😁

GoodChat · 18/05/2023 12:11

Just say "I had no intention of taking it down. DD enjoys playing in it."

RequiresUpdating · 18/05/2023 12:13

Do you seriously not see how this could be a danger to wildlife? . Something could get trapped obviously.
I don't see why it would be more likely to be trapped in the den frame than in the fence next to it 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
SW2002 · 18/05/2023 12:15

Reply saying:

'No you cannot break it down under any circumstances. You are not a resident of our building and as such do not have any right of entry to our communal garden, let alone to destroy or remove anything from it. Let us be very clear that removing my kids den from the garden would be criminal damage as well as mighty cheeky.'

Many thanks

weirdoboelady · 18/05/2023 12:19

RequiresUpdating · 18/05/2023 11:14

It's why when you throw away the plastic rings from a 4 pack of beer you should always snap every ring.

surely that goes in a bin bag Confused

Yes, it goes in a bin bag. And what do you think happens to it then? It doesn't dematerialise because it is out of your life, it goes to landfill, and poses a risk to wildlife. So cut the loops! (None of which is relevant to your DD's den, and I think you should hear the neighbour out but suspect she is being a CF)

Whitebeamtreelover · 18/05/2023 12:20

Why don’t you just message back and ask what the concern is?

Confused
Timeforchangeithink · 18/05/2023 12:22

Hey OP have you seen her yet? I'm really intrigued why she wants to remove it. I didn't know about string either and I've never so much as killed a spider.

PerceptionIsReality · 18/05/2023 12:22

Could it possibly just be that she thinks the kids should have broken it down when finished and she does not want you to feel that you have to tidy up after her kids?

RequiresUpdating · 18/05/2023 12:29

@weirdoboelady it goes into a bin bag. The bin bag is collected and taken to the incineration plant. The bag is incinerated and the heat generated is used to heat the nearby houses.

I don't want to alienate her! She's in our club taxi group and does one of the runs for DD's club. Her DC were out in the garden last night so she must have seen it when she came to find them.

OP posts:
Yellowdays · 18/05/2023 12:32

It's rubbish about it being dangerous to wildlife. Forest rangers provide twig dens for the wildlife!

CombatBarbie · 18/05/2023 12:34

Asides the weird neighbour issue, there is no danger to wildife ffs.... The birds may try take the string for nesting, hedgehogs are not going to get trapped. In fact I'd encourage the kids in the winter to make it into a wildlife refuge 👌

CaroleSinger · 18/05/2023 12:35

Perhaps we could have saved 3 pages and just asked the woman why she wanted to break it down...

CombatBarbie · 18/05/2023 12:36

And yet only a handful of people have actually pointed out, that in today's age, this kind of play is rare to see.... I think it's great. This is how kids are supposed to be.

MonumentalLentil · 18/05/2023 12:37

Hedgehogs get trapped in all sorts of things, gaps in iron gates, football nets (string), netting. So do birds. Their feet also get caught in bits and tangled. If it slips off or the thing degrades and it ends up loose it could be a problem. String needs to be tied very tightly and kept an eye on if it stays.

PurelyBelter · 18/05/2023 12:39

Just say “No, don’t break it down. The kids are still playing with it. I will break it down and remove it from MY garden when they’re finished.”

Communal gardens are dreadful for people
thinking any fucker can use them. We had one in flats but since it was all adults it was only used for washing really. Until the cf street kids decided it was their new playground and started booting footballs off our ground floor flat walls and windows 😭

Augend23 · 18/05/2023 12:39

I don't think it's dangerous to wildlife as long as there are no loops to trap things!

Whitebeamtreelover · 18/05/2023 12:46

PurelyBelter · 18/05/2023 12:39

Just say “No, don’t break it down. The kids are still playing with it. I will break it down and remove it from MY garden when they’re finished.”

Communal gardens are dreadful for people
thinking any fucker can use them. We had one in flats but since it was all adults it was only used for washing really. Until the cf street kids decided it was their new playground and started booting footballs off our ground floor flat walls and windows 😭

Alternatively she can just say, no need, kids are still playing with it, have you got any concerns, cheers.

😂

WheresSpring · 18/05/2023 12:50

As long as you check it daily (ideally twice) you’ll be able to free any wildlife that may get caught. I’d be really interested what her reasoning is if it’s not related to this though!

bobbysock · 18/05/2023 12:52

Heartsnrainbows · 18/05/2023 11:06

In case they eat it or get tangled in it. Horrible way to die if they swallow it.

Hedgehogs especially are at risk of getting stuck. It's why when you throw away the plastic rings from a 4 pack of beer you should always snap every ring. Because animals crawl through and get stuck.

Are you saying you’d not throw it in the bin? 🙄

AbbaG12 · 18/05/2023 12:52

What a great little job theyve done. Great to see young people playing outside.

My thinking there's more to this. Dod the children fall out over it or something?

bobbysock · 18/05/2023 12:54

weirdoboelady · 18/05/2023 12:19

Yes, it goes in a bin bag. And what do you think happens to it then? It doesn't dematerialise because it is out of your life, it goes to landfill, and poses a risk to wildlife. So cut the loops! (None of which is relevant to your DD's den, and I think you should hear the neighbour out but suspect she is being a CF)

Ok, good point!

bobbysock · 18/05/2023 12:56

Where I live we only send 1% of our waste to landfill though, don’t know how much it is in the UK?