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AIBU to ignore DSS a little?

112 replies

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:31

A bit of background without going into to much detail or drip feeding.

SS has just turned 8 and stays with me and DH EOW and one night in the week (mum won't agree to 50:50 because of in her words her 'benefits will reduce').

SS can be lovely and caring at times, bless him, but is also incredibly entitled, spoilt and is prone to HUGE meltdowns and attention seeking behaviour if he doesn't get what he wants exactly how he wants it.
My DS 12 and and DD 6 just aren't like that so I'm stumped how to deal with it? Hence why I'm here and also reading every parenting website I can!!
Don't get me wrong, my DC have their moments and have had tantrums themselves, aplenty. But it felt very manageable for the most part and 'normal' I guess?

I empathise with DSS as parents had a messy break up which must've been hard and confusing for him (his mum left DH) and though they've made some headway, they really don't get on.

Mum is of the opinion that DSS needs come before everyone else's. DH has tried to explain on several occasions that yes DSS is very important but so is everyone within the family; we're all special and important. She doesn't listen and continues to pedal the narrative that we're not putting DSS first. Very tiring to hear that in 101 different versions.

I try to always be kind and loving to DSS when he's here (much easier when he's not in a strop!), do his homework with him and spend time with him. But we did have a chat a couple of weeks ago in which I -gently- told him that life isn't always fair and it's an important lesson that's helpful to learn (I think I used the words 'when I was little, my Dad told me something very important and I still remember it now...yada yada'). Anyway, because I said something along the lines of 'grown ups need to make decisions sometimes, it's not always the choice of children, but we do really care how you feel'. He's gone back to his mum, told her what I said and she's hit the roof. Saying we don't care about his feelings.

Added to that, the current issue seems to be jealously about DH's relationship with my DC, particularly my DD. Look - I completely get that - it's normal for him to possibly feel a bit hurt that they're very close, he's had his Daddy to himself before we were on the scene a couple of years ago. He gets lots and lots of special daddy time, like camping just the two and activity days out but it doesn't seem to alleviate the jealously. Which, like I said, I get. And we're trying everything to help with that. But he still stomps his feet and almost demands that his dad isn't close to my DC!

Question is, I can't seem to do any sort of parenting/discipline/explaining without it being misreported to mum. He cries to mum and she gets angry. And the tantrums are exhausting, so when he's here, shall I just sit in the corner on my laptop quietly humming to myself and minding my own business?? Is it wrong to distance myself??

For info: DH has tried strict parenting, hasn't worked, now it's therapeutic parenting and is trying to reward good behaviour and ignore bad..we haven't found anything that works yet..

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Theunamedcat · 17/05/2023 11:40

Well if the consequences of you trying to be nice result in a tantrum from his mom then I would back away

Sounds like his ex needs stricter parenting as in

There are three children here they are all equal THATS IT if she mithers on repeat they are all treated equally and disengage

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:43

Thanks Theunamedcat, yes - trying to be nice and also to speak to him warmly but firmly, like I do my own DC, doesn't work at all so I think I have to back off!

yes - ex has a lot of emotional problems which I empathise with but as a result she lashes out A LOT and does an awful lot of blaming. Which, as I say, can be hard on the receiving end..

Thanks - good idea - DH had taken to replying calmly and politely and ignoring the rants from her..

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Dedodee · 17/05/2023 11:46

I agree disengage.
You'll never win with the ex.
She’d be even more angry if dss went home singing your praises.

ConsuelaHammock · 17/05/2023 11:46

I wouldn’t bother with him if he can’t behave in your house .

SunnySaturdayMorning · 17/05/2023 11:47

You haven’t found anything that works because you’re inconsistent and flip flopping between how you treat him.

That makes it confusing for DSS and means you haven’t set out healthy boundaries for him to understand and work within.

(By “you” I mean DH really as he’s the parent here.)

potniatheron · 17/05/2023 11:50

Wow, this is hard.

I have to say that I think you're doing all the right things OP. But it's difficult because trying to instil disclipine will get misreported whereas disengaging isn't really fair on your DSS and his future relationship with Dad. It may also affect the behaviour of your other kids.

I think you should continue to do what you're doing but ignore DSS's mum and her rants. She is the problem here, not you.

ScatsThat · 17/05/2023 11:50

My eldest has tantrums too and it is exhausting. If he's having a tantrum tell him do go in another room and you can talk when he has calmed down. You can't reason with a child mid-tantrum.

But you can't ignore a child in your house and you can't constantly defer to your DP or pander to his mum as that undermines your authority. Is it worth having a conversation with his mum and asking her if he behaves like this at her house and what she does to deal with it? She might feel more involved and if you are all treating the behaviour consistently then that might help too.

Good luck 🤞

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:51

Thanks Dedo no. He has at times done just that! (I think DSS likes that this is a calm, non-shouting house for the most part) and, though he is jealous of my DD, he adores her at the same time. So he fluctuates between moaning to his mum about not getting special treatment and in the next breath says how much he loves us all!
You're right - definitely time to disengage though..

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SeulementUneFois · 17/05/2023 11:51

Yes.

Disengage.

Then she won't have anything to point at you.
Though I'm sure she will - but then point out (to your DH, go NC with her) that she only needs to deal with DH who is the parent.

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:51

Thanks Consuela, so I guess go with the plan to hum to myself in the corner..

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Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:53

I don't think we/DH is flip flopping (harsh?) between parenting strategies. We/ he has tried something for a while that seemed to be a good method, didn't work, so now trying to factor in alternative more therapeutic methods..
There are good and healthy boundaries here, that's what DSS doesn't like I think...

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Jellycats4life · 17/05/2023 11:54

ConsuelaHammock · 17/05/2023 11:46

I wouldn’t bother with him if he can’t behave in your house .

Are you serious?

This child isn’t yet 8 and has experienced huge trauma in his life. Is it any surprise that he’s attention seeking and acting out?

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:55

Thanks Pot, damned if I do and damned if I don't in a way, but yes - I agree with you - ignoring (and I wouldn't really properly ignore him ever) seems a bit mean and potentially damaging. Ignoring her rants, even more than we do now, seems a good strategy. Though she can get very personal and it's hard not to let it get you down at times

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AbbaG12 · 17/05/2023 11:57

Just like you said to him, sometimes life isn't fair and you have to put up with some tantrums.
He's eight. He's struggling to process some stuff at the moment. He's dealing with some big emotions. He's only at yours once a week and that's not a lot of time to get use to the setup.

teabycandlelight · 17/05/2023 11:57

Hmm - he is only 8, and some kids are just more jealous/ difficult than others. Everyone has different personalities.

thing is if you disengage with him, it’ll only bite you in the backside in the future.

I think you just need to ignore ex- partner- that’s the problem. Parent as you see fit.

Also acknowledge that it might be tough for DSS ( and possibly his mum) to see his Dad parenting someone else’s kids. Think he maybe needs more reassurance from dad- and don’t expect instant results. Keep up the 1-1 time and he’ll calm down eventually.

It must be really tough for kids.

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:59

Thanks Scats, we have asked him to go to another room and it seems to work at least some times so that's a positive. I get that about the child-tantrum brain and how it's hard for them 'in the moment'

So, when his mum has been more calmer and relatable, DH asked her about DSS behaviour and she admitted he can be challenging and she does shout at him a lot. But any 'nice' conversation they have usually then gets thrown back with her saying 'no wonder he behaves like that with you if you don't put him first'. Her stance/mood seems to change quickly/daily so you don't always know which version you'll get..

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teabycandlelight · 17/05/2023 12:00

Also - you say everyone is equal, but from his point of view, that’s not true is it?

Your DH spends every day of the week living with your kids and he only gets one day a week with his dad. Maybe it is worth making him feel welcomed ?

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 12:01

Sounds sensible Seulement, I can still be kind and loving to DSS whilst disengaging with certain parts, which are down to DH and his mum as his parents..

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Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 12:04

Abba I know that, and I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram and saying it's not fair!
I just haven't known best how to deal with the situation so that I'm helping both DSS and also doing justice to my DC so that everyone's happy. Obviously no one's happy all the time! But it's about making the best of it and doing the best you can with what you've got

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GiveOverRover · 17/05/2023 12:05

It's futile to compare DSS to your own children, they aren't the same kids and they are not in the same situation. You're comparing him in his EOW home getting some confused at best parenting, and your kids in their own home with their mum.

It's unfair, and shortsighted. Happy well adjusted heard 8 year old children do not tantrum. In terms of how to handle it, let your DH take the lead, you need to take a back seat and remain kind and try to see it from his perspective. His mother isn't the problem here.

Hankunamatata · 17/05/2023 12:07

I rave on about it but try the incredible years course. There's a website and you can can the book or audiobook. I did one via zoom and found it really helpful.
You can have house rules and house consequences so all kids abide by them.

kirinm · 17/05/2023 12:08

He sees his dad a couple of days a fortnight and your kids - not his siblings - live with his dad. You can see why that is going to cause some issues and I think suggesting life isn't fair isn't really seeing it from a child's perspective - or an adult to be fair.

It's probably best to stop caring what he tells mum? Can't Dad actually correct things with her or does it even matter what she thinks?

Don't know how you / your DP solve the tantrums. You've called him several names but it could just be that he feels pissed off his dad isn't as interested in him as he is somebody else's children (regardless of whether that is actually the case).

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 12:11

Some good points tea, thanks. And yes - I get a lot of what you're saying. 8 is very young and he's had a lot to deal with. I think I mentioned that a couple of times in my long OP. I know big emotions sit underneath behaviour a lot of the time.

When he started staying we made him a beautiful little bedroom with special lights, and loads of bits just for him. What you'd expect really - I'm not saying we did anything that anyone shouldn't be expected to do. And we always make him welcome, this is his home too, we've made that clear. I'll have a think what else we can do though to make him feel more welcome..

DH is trying to ignore ex when she's being unhelpful and making snide remarks and engage with her when she's being reasonable.

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ArucanaWing · 17/05/2023 12:13

Pullinghairout81 · 17/05/2023 11:55

Thanks Pot, damned if I do and damned if I don't in a way, but yes - I agree with you - ignoring (and I wouldn't really properly ignore him ever) seems a bit mean and potentially damaging. Ignoring her rants, even more than we do now, seems a good strategy. Though she can get very personal and it's hard not to let it get you down at times

The advice we got when my MIL wanted to be bitchy towards me was that ultimately you couldn’t stop her wanting to be bitchy so score her instead. Worked a treat. We used to give a score out of 10 for effort (ooh, she put a lot of work into that stinging comment) and a score out of 10 for impact. It helped leave her behaviour with her somehow.

I think all you can do for your DSS is love him. Be there for him no matter how badly he behaves. Don’t tolerate the inappropriate behaviour (because as I say to my kids, it’s important to think about what sort of adults they’ll become if I allow that behaviour to become their norm) but make sure each day that you have opportunities whether his Dad and you make him feel loved. I think he needs professional help with his. Some age approach counselling through play would likely really benefit him.

RoseMartha · 17/05/2023 12:16

I would continue to treat him the same as your dc, maybe you all ( as in you and dh and your kids and dss), have a sit down and go through family rules that apply to all of the kids, and carry on with dh and dss doing activities together and do some as a group of 5.

I think you need to be really clear on the boundaries and stick with it. As another poster said you can not reason with a child mid tantrum, he will need to leave the room or be left in the room to calm down and then when calm have a chat with him.

Does he have any little responsibilities when he is with you eg lay the table? As this might help him feel part of the family as well.