Do people not make the effort with appearance anymore

[Scarletthoo2]

The last couple of months, I've noticed in restaurants, bars and social places that majority of women/young adults have replaced heels for trainers and dresses for jeans and dress pretty much causal when out socialising in bars or eating out. Is this the new norm? Why don't people make an effort anymore? Especially the younger generation. AIBU or is this a minority?

Your post conflates "looking smart" (or your idea of smart) with "not making an effort". Picking the "right" jeans and the "right" trainers can involve a huge amount of effort.

joggers outside the house I said. Because I don’t wear them outside. Why wouldn’t you believe someone could be that rude? Would you like a screen shot of the abuse I received for wearing makeup??? I was literally putting my point across of how you can make some kind of effort and STILL get slagged off. Some people find issue in ANYTHING people say.

Stop judging women - they are not ornaments to be compared and contrasted by the mysogyny committee.

They aren't your geishas OP and it's frankly weird that you want them to be. Perhaps this generation realise that it's the laughs and connections they make with their mates that will stick with them rarely how they're dressed. Good on them for being so wise I say

Also my mothers friend warned me and her daughters years ago to please stop wearing heels. She’s a gorgeous woman, from a Latin American country, always impeccably dressed and still very much making an effort but without heels, because they ruined her feet. My grandmother had the same issue and underwent surgery twice. If it’s actively harming women, it’s not ‘making an effort’ but toxic societal pressure.

I haven’t worn heels for the past 2 decades I’m 47 ! And I remember my friends saying why don’t u wear heels on a night out don’t u feel under dressed ?
No I didn’t I felt comfortable and I had a blast dancing the night away !
Heels are very dated my daughter looks lovely when she has a night out and she is wearing what she is comfortable in and it’s casual such a difference from the 90s but she looks cool AF x

It’s been like this for years. In fact, if you dress up you can look OTT or give the impression that you’re not used to eating out.

Where what you want to wear. If you love heals then go with it. If you love a more casual look then go with that.

You'll get people on here telling you're dated for wearing heals but they're just as bad as you- judging others for wearing what you want.

Personally I love a more casual look, I like being comfortable and have always found heals painful.

Men have been comfortable without judgement for decades. Women want to be comfortable now without judgement. Wind your neck in @Scarletthoo2.

This.

Also, goady fuckers are starting early this week, aren't they?

FFS.

Nonsense. I have photos of my dad wearing drain pipe jeans and winklepicker shoes in the 1950s. Strangely enough from the waist down it looks very similar to what Rylan Clarke wears today!

Oh dear - hope your day improves. I've got badly bruised ribs, and am trying hard not to laugh too much, as it hurts!
Take care xxx

Socialising has changed. Gone are the days when you went to the pub/bar and if you wanted to go out later you had to go to a club. The clubs had dress codes to enter, so if you knew you were going for more than a local drink you had to do the whole dress/heels thing. Now most wine bars/bars are also open as late as clubs. It was normal for clubs to refuse entrance to people wearing trainers and jeans, not so much now. too much competition from bars open late.
Even 20 years ago the fashion was for jeans, and a going out top. over dresses etc,

Heels are dated though.

But why does that matter?

Unless you are desperate to be on-trend, why would you care?

I agree with you, OP.

People have absolutely no standards or self-respect these days.

Even if I'm just nipping to the shop, I always make sure I look put-together. One never knows who one may bump into. And even if this doesn't happen, for me, its a matter of basic standards and self-respect.

You have got a lot of flack on this thread, OP, but I am with you.

Regards,
V. Crawley

Trainers can still look smart. I just wish that we could have worn trainers in bars and clubs years ago. Why the hell did we put up with stupid dress rules for some tacky, nasty club with overpriced drinks and shite music?

I’ve never given a shit.

I’ve got worse over the years though. I’m 43 and today, I am twinning with Waynetta Slob.

I’ve never in my life been out anywhere where I’d have to be smart though. Toby Carvery is a huge financial stretch and once in a blue moon treat for me 😆

Yes, exactly. The horror, the horror!

Back to whalebone corsets, tight-lacing and backboards.

YABU.
People can wear what they like
Heels are very damaging to the feet and many people don't wear them any more for that reason.

I smell a journalist. Which media outlet do you write for OP?

Aww mate
wish you a speedy recovery xx

I don’t understand why anyone would wear makeup, shoes that damage your feet or dress in an uncomfortable way OP. My skin is clearer having ditched the makeup completely, I feel better in clothes that are comfortable and well fitting and I’m not a self conscious mess worrying about whether what I’m wearing could be construed as me encouraging a sexual assault or inappropriate attention from men I have no desire to interact with.

I should think it’s all about not wanting to put themselves in fucking pain for no discernible outcome.

Women did it because we were told it made us shaggable. Men liked women doing it as they were told it made us shaggable.

Women are still being told that tolerating pain makes us shaggable, but nowadays that is all about being slapped, strangled and spat on. Oh and buggered. Men are still being told that women tolerating pain makes them shaggable, but that they should slap, strangle and spit on us. Oh and bugger us.

Actually, when I put it like that I preferred the heels of the 80s.

But what I’d REALLY like is for society to stop associating women in pain with women and sex.

No. Why would I need to see a screenshot? It seemed unbelievable to me as you were apparently commented on for your appearance and yet you're happy to do the same thing here. You and rude person seem birds of a feather.

You were disparaging joggers. Many women wear them. They are comfortable but your use of 'slobbing' makes you disingenuous because you're as rude as the person you say was rude to you. Nobody cares what you wear but people (like you) will comment on regardless.

Still vacuous. Yours and OP's posts.