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Chalk on sidewalk

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Berrydoor284 · 11/05/2023 23:44

Chalking on paths???

Ok please help me out.., so background normally I’m so laid back and I never bite to anyone even when I should mostly because I think we’ll you don’t know what’s going on in others lives. Or it’s their problem not mine and I just can’t be doing with drama I tend not to attract it or entertain it. i don’t have and never have had much drama in my life.

so my neighbour is in her 80s.. I have lived on this estate for my whole life. As have many families. Including mine. Mostly ex council houses.. my neighbour lived on this estate her whole life - you get the picture… when I was growing up she lived up the road from us - nice lady. It was a close estate. I brought my house and my old neighbours moved out and she moved in as it’s smaller than her old house. She has been here for 11 years I’ve been here 16. I got on great with old neighbours as I do the other side.

she is prone to be quite funny in my opinion or is it me?
so when my twins were toddling I’d sometimes put a small dog bowl on our shared wall and she would tell me not to. I didn’t ask why and just moved it (it’s a chihuahua size bowl may I add there for maybe an hour while they played on the patio area).

We needed new felt on our summer house roof so we asked if we could just nip over and put ladders up to do one side she got angry we disturbed her by knocking to ask (I understand that as she is old it’s not nice to be disturbed for some people she told us just to do it don’t bother her again) it rained that day so we went in but the next morning my dad just nipped over and she threatened to call the police for trespassing. My kids were distraught thought we were going to prison she was so mad. My dad is calm like me and explained why he didn’t ask and what she said the previous day and she just stormed in saying if you damage my grass you will pay. (It was step ladders, roof needed 14 small felt nails hammering in 15 min job).

she doesn’t like my kids playing ball games as the ball goes over it’s only the small sponge balls / tennis ball size that we have in the garden as we respect not many want 5 kids smashing big balls at a fence so we don’t do any ball games and haven’t for 6 years after the last go where she said she doesn’t want to see balls in her garden.

she isn’t happy with my kids play house as “I” as in me can’t get to
my side of the fence which she put up to paint it. But I did say on that occasion well sadly I’m not taking it down the fence has been painted and I don’t mind sliding it out to paint if you let me your side as I have no access but she said no to that.

she is constantly looking over the fence or getting people to look to make sure I don’t have rubbish behind the summer house rotting her fence ( I don’t the odd bit might blow there but I love my garden and clean it regular)..

she wasn’t happy I removed trellis which was on my side of the fence but her fence because it was rotten and became dangerous to my kids and looked a mess and would of doted the fence as I couldn’t get to the fence to paint it. The trellis was there when I brought the house and after a few years had to be removed - no damage to fence may I add).

my dad or kids dad or anyone actually can’t park near her house even though she has a drive no one can use even though she paid 10000s to have it laid and even though it isn’t blocking her drive.. but she says it’s her path ( it’s a public path). She actually called DVLA once when I had a works small transit for a job I was doing through an agency to say it’s blocking her drive when it honestly was nowhere near. She didn’t know it was my van so openly told my mum over the fence that she called because she couldn’t see up there street and said it was blocking her drive when it wasn’t I don’t think she knows to this date it was mine. I never said anything lol… just moved it to my dads round the corner legend the agency called lol.

she was constantly accusing me of putting nappies down my toilet baby wipes make up wipes ( I don’t wear make up don’t put anything down the toilet only tissue) she reported me to water people who came out dig up some of my garden to get to a man hole to discover I’m the last house on this system / pathway and yes there is blockages but it’s not me as it comes down the street and ends with me. I get the brunt of it.

she had a go because I laid a gravel bed near her front fence as it will effect her ground.. and flowers not sure how we have a fence between us.

she has asked to check if I have smoke alarms as if my house catches fire it will effect her.

doesnt want us using weed killer on my path it might effect her garden not sure how my drive is far away.

I could go on. genuinely I just normally do as she says.

i have five children and they may get a bit loud In the house but they are actually quite good kids. We are out most of the time at families houses on the estate. A bool
holidays we are 99% of the time away. I have dogs have had dogs since I moved in they aren’t yappers they might have the odd bark but it’s never persistent relentless constant and never has been.. In the garden we stick to her rules and we go to my dads for big ball games he lives round the corner as he has a big garden nice neighbours with a fence with gate between neighbours so we can nip in get balls etc if they go over. We just keep
ourselves to ourselves…

well tonight my kids were outside MY house chalking. Outside my house… nothing big, certainly nothing offensive. We had 2 xmas trees, hopscotch, naughts and crosses X2, a tardis and two houses.

she is a bit like a spider anyone only needs to go near her fence or house and she is in the window….. well she starts asking through the window what we are doing I hold the chalk up and try mouth chalking. She then gets angry she has to open the window and proceeds to say not outside my garden your not. I said I’m not. All with a smile.. she then says we’ll that tree is too close to my garden I’m calling the police. I think maybe the star topper might of been creeping over and may of been a boundary issue 🤔🤔🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ It might of been slightly over. Maybe the top bit of the star sis very slightly nearly meet the start of her fence area.. Now I don’t know if she was on the phone or pretending to be but next thing she is hanging out the window saying over the phone yes there are kids outside vandalising my garden then slams the window. I’ve had no
police round and I have a distraught 5 year old thinking she will be arrested, me not wanting to say she doesn’t own the path and showing my kids that she is being ridiculous as I do want them to respect elderly people so not sure how to play it?

my kids have chalked these things on the front of my house for years my eldest is 16 and she has since day dot as have my other 4 kids it’s nothing big or offensive or major in my eyes!! or is it?

now normally when she has a go outside of the painting fence issue and an Ariel issue where it fell down in lockdown and I couldn’t afford to get it removed but it turned out it was hers I apologise and do as she says. Tonight I didn’t I stayed out and I finished my naughts and crosses game and did a bit of hopscotch!! Coloured my house roof I had spent time creating 😂😂😂 I’m rebel!! and I feel quite bad like I’ve done something really naughty this is quite out there for me to not say sorry and stop what I’m doing… I don’t feel
comfortable and then I think I don’t feel
comfortable as I’m being unreasonable

is it a big thing chalking outside your own house?

i know we are all different I personally don’t care. My neighbours on the other side I have no idea what they are doing and not doing and as long as they aren’t setting our fence on fire especially because I buy that fence I see it as their life their garden leave them be and they are like that with me. I couldn’t care less what they do they have had parties and why shouldn’t they!? They can get loud now and then why shouldn’t they it’s not constant and they are just everyday people doing their own thing. I like seeing kids chalk it reminds me there is more to
life than technology I don’t watch tv we have Netflix in our house and that’s it and it’s the account where you only watch one at a time so not even used much. We do have the internet but not much technology so outside and outdoors is important to us.

i guess I’m just here to get others thoughts on this? As I’m not sure if I’m being unreasonable for being a bit fed up now and a bit angry or I’m being angry at myself for being a naughty kid by not going in when my neighbour rightly complained and I’m just one of them mums who thinks their kids can do what they want?
TIA and thanks for reading

OP posts:
Berrydoor284 · 11/05/2023 23:47

To add context further a house three down has a tourer caravan and she had a go because she can’t see up the street those neighbours did tell her ro
stick it and came to
ask me “ is she always like that” I said oh I don’t know while knowing full well that she is like that. They told her to stick it and mind her own business and that was the last heard about that

OP posts:
SparkyBlue · 11/05/2023 23:49

She sounds like a nightmare and you have been far too tolerant of her. Only a complete weirdo could get bothered by children chalking on the footpath. My neighbour even has a big box of chalk for when her grandchildren call and my DD plays with them and they draw a big hopscotch or whatever. The rain washes it away and it doesn't last long at all.

Snowtrails · 11/05/2023 23:51

Yes it's fine for your children to draw with chalk on the pavement.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 11/05/2023 23:52

Sidewalk?

Soapyspuds · 11/05/2023 23:53

When is the second volume being released?

Theunamedcat · 11/05/2023 23:54

I've had neighbours like this they are fucking nuts your child is chalking on the drive....yes it's my drive and? Well I don't like it....OK 💀

Seriously rebel more stop listening to her walk away explain once if you have to ignore the rest of the time it's chalk not crack pipes

MrsDoylesDoily · 11/05/2023 23:58

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 11/05/2023 23:52

Sidewalk?

Perhaps the OP isn't in the UK?

Honestly OP, it's fine to chalk the pavements as long as it's nothing offensive. It's not like the rain won't wash it away.

As for all the rest of it, well you can't argue with someone who appears to have so many issues.

NeedCoffeeNowPlease · 12/05/2023 00:00

Sounds like time to tell her to pull her head in. Chalking in front of your own house isn't an issue. The only thing you list that might get annoying is balls over the fence regularly. I get that and just hope I don't have to ever get the parents to pay the hundreds for the big window facing the fence. There won't be any trouble with them if necessary but it's still a nuisance to have to throw them back all the time.

Avatartar · 12/05/2023 00:00

Didn’t the police advise you? she sounds old and probably showing signs of mental decline. You sound like you’ve added some drama - just try to avoid or appease her and don’t make a big deal out of it. Your approach and attitude will be reflected in your children’s
reactions to it all

thedogisstaring · 12/05/2023 00:00

Technically chalking on a pavement can be deemed criminal damage, but it's highly unlikely police would bat an eyelid. They might ask you to wash it off if it's on the public pavement just to be seen to be taking action. I'd advise getting the kids to chalk on the paving in your own garden or even on the side of your house, there's nothing anyone can do about that!

BreviloquentBastard · 12/05/2023 00:00

Take a leaf out of the Caravan Neighbours books and tell her to button it and mind her own business. Every time you've given in to her and done as she's ordered, you've told her that she can push you around. Stop doing that. Stand up for yourself.

Amybelle88 · 12/05/2023 00:03

Stand up for yourself and tell her to pipe down the nasty old bat!

purpleme12 · 12/05/2023 00:09

I have a neighbour who has referred to our chalking as graffiti.
I don't do it on the path anymore. Not because I think I shouldn't but just because it's an easier life (said that that is).
I do however still chalk on our drive. Which I have no doubt still very much annoys them as it's right next door!

Itsanotherhreatday · 12/05/2023 00:09

Your whole post is about justifying your actions - every step? Why?
How do you have time to have her in your thoughts when you have 5 kids??
Why be her victim?

You can just ignore - Sorry Kids Mrs Bigbeak is cross again, let’s ignore her …. And carry on!!

I’d be writing some choice words with my chalk!!

Guessitswednesday · 12/05/2023 00:10

@thethedogisstaring PLEASE explain to me which part of a child (under the age of criminal responsibility) drawing with chalk fits the definition criminal DAMAGE...
'intending to destroy/damage property or being reckless as to whether property would be destroyed/damaged and intending to endanger the life of another'

NoTouch · 12/05/2023 00:11

Of course you can chalk on the pavement, but personally I would try not to make an elderly person living alone life any more difficult. She is obviously struggling for whatever reason and it sounds cruel to get any pleasure out of antagonising her.

Your father had absolutely no right going into her garden when you had expressly been told not to.

Stompythedinosaur · 12/05/2023 00:30

I'd just be more boundaried - "my children are doing nothing wrong, please stop making threats" and "It's up to us how we use our garden, please stop commenting."

You were unreasonable to go in her garden if she didn't want you to.

WhyCantYourPartnerDoIt · 12/05/2023 03:52

Yabu for the length of that post alone. Jesus Christ - edit yourself.

mathanxiety · 12/05/2023 04:10

Your neighbour is harassing you.

Don't ever apologise to her again.

Chalking on the path outside your own house is completely harmless.

Give your upset child a big hug and tell him or her that they have done nothing wrong.

I'd be very tempted to keep a log of all these incidents, as well as the effect the harassment is having on your children, and I'd warn her that if she ever threatens your children with the police again, you will report her. And I would follow through.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/05/2023 04:47

Please stand up for yourself and your children, they sound terrified and are looking to you for guidance and reassurance. This means stopping appeasing her when she is encroaching on your lives. You don’t need to declare war on her, rather to assert normal boundaries. Playing in the garden with balls and normal family noise is perfectly acceptable. As is parking in front of her house. She does not own the road.

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 05:10

Chalking is fine but a lot of the things you've mentioned her being unreasonable about are quite fair irritations on her part.

I think you need to consider that's 5 children lingering around near her house. It might not be the chalking itself that upset her.

FurAndFeathers · 12/05/2023 05:15

YABU
thats a load of irrelevant drivel to simply ask if chalking in the pavement is ok?

the word is pavement, you talk about the council and caravans so you appear to be in the UK. We don’t have sidewalks here.

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stayathomer · 12/05/2023 05:30

Yanbu and its terrible chalking could be seen as anything other than lovely!! Sounds like a nightmare op!

Ffsmakeitstop · 12/05/2023 05:30

Just tell her to wind her neck in. Your dad only went in her garden because she said you could and not to disturb her.
As for the parking I would get both your visitors to park there together. She has no right to interfere in your life the way she does.
Even if she's got dementia it's nit your job to deal with it.