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Chalk on sidewalk

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Berrydoor284 · 11/05/2023 23:44

Chalking on paths???

Ok please help me out.., so background normally I’m so laid back and I never bite to anyone even when I should mostly because I think we’ll you don’t know what’s going on in others lives. Or it’s their problem not mine and I just can’t be doing with drama I tend not to attract it or entertain it. i don’t have and never have had much drama in my life.

so my neighbour is in her 80s.. I have lived on this estate for my whole life. As have many families. Including mine. Mostly ex council houses.. my neighbour lived on this estate her whole life - you get the picture… when I was growing up she lived up the road from us - nice lady. It was a close estate. I brought my house and my old neighbours moved out and she moved in as it’s smaller than her old house. She has been here for 11 years I’ve been here 16. I got on great with old neighbours as I do the other side.

she is prone to be quite funny in my opinion or is it me?
so when my twins were toddling I’d sometimes put a small dog bowl on our shared wall and she would tell me not to. I didn’t ask why and just moved it (it’s a chihuahua size bowl may I add there for maybe an hour while they played on the patio area).

We needed new felt on our summer house roof so we asked if we could just nip over and put ladders up to do one side she got angry we disturbed her by knocking to ask (I understand that as she is old it’s not nice to be disturbed for some people she told us just to do it don’t bother her again) it rained that day so we went in but the next morning my dad just nipped over and she threatened to call the police for trespassing. My kids were distraught thought we were going to prison she was so mad. My dad is calm like me and explained why he didn’t ask and what she said the previous day and she just stormed in saying if you damage my grass you will pay. (It was step ladders, roof needed 14 small felt nails hammering in 15 min job).

she doesn’t like my kids playing ball games as the ball goes over it’s only the small sponge balls / tennis ball size that we have in the garden as we respect not many want 5 kids smashing big balls at a fence so we don’t do any ball games and haven’t for 6 years after the last go where she said she doesn’t want to see balls in her garden.

she isn’t happy with my kids play house as “I” as in me can’t get to
my side of the fence which she put up to paint it. But I did say on that occasion well sadly I’m not taking it down the fence has been painted and I don’t mind sliding it out to paint if you let me your side as I have no access but she said no to that.

she is constantly looking over the fence or getting people to look to make sure I don’t have rubbish behind the summer house rotting her fence ( I don’t the odd bit might blow there but I love my garden and clean it regular)..

she wasn’t happy I removed trellis which was on my side of the fence but her fence because it was rotten and became dangerous to my kids and looked a mess and would of doted the fence as I couldn’t get to the fence to paint it. The trellis was there when I brought the house and after a few years had to be removed - no damage to fence may I add).

my dad or kids dad or anyone actually can’t park near her house even though she has a drive no one can use even though she paid 10000s to have it laid and even though it isn’t blocking her drive.. but she says it’s her path ( it’s a public path). She actually called DVLA once when I had a works small transit for a job I was doing through an agency to say it’s blocking her drive when it honestly was nowhere near. She didn’t know it was my van so openly told my mum over the fence that she called because she couldn’t see up there street and said it was blocking her drive when it wasn’t I don’t think she knows to this date it was mine. I never said anything lol… just moved it to my dads round the corner legend the agency called lol.

she was constantly accusing me of putting nappies down my toilet baby wipes make up wipes ( I don’t wear make up don’t put anything down the toilet only tissue) she reported me to water people who came out dig up some of my garden to get to a man hole to discover I’m the last house on this system / pathway and yes there is blockages but it’s not me as it comes down the street and ends with me. I get the brunt of it.

she had a go because I laid a gravel bed near her front fence as it will effect her ground.. and flowers not sure how we have a fence between us.

she has asked to check if I have smoke alarms as if my house catches fire it will effect her.

doesnt want us using weed killer on my path it might effect her garden not sure how my drive is far away.

I could go on. genuinely I just normally do as she says.

i have five children and they may get a bit loud In the house but they are actually quite good kids. We are out most of the time at families houses on the estate. A bool
holidays we are 99% of the time away. I have dogs have had dogs since I moved in they aren’t yappers they might have the odd bark but it’s never persistent relentless constant and never has been.. In the garden we stick to her rules and we go to my dads for big ball games he lives round the corner as he has a big garden nice neighbours with a fence with gate between neighbours so we can nip in get balls etc if they go over. We just keep
ourselves to ourselves…

well tonight my kids were outside MY house chalking. Outside my house… nothing big, certainly nothing offensive. We had 2 xmas trees, hopscotch, naughts and crosses X2, a tardis and two houses.

she is a bit like a spider anyone only needs to go near her fence or house and she is in the window….. well she starts asking through the window what we are doing I hold the chalk up and try mouth chalking. She then gets angry she has to open the window and proceeds to say not outside my garden your not. I said I’m not. All with a smile.. she then says we’ll that tree is too close to my garden I’m calling the police. I think maybe the star topper might of been creeping over and may of been a boundary issue 🤔🤔🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ It might of been slightly over. Maybe the top bit of the star sis very slightly nearly meet the start of her fence area.. Now I don’t know if she was on the phone or pretending to be but next thing she is hanging out the window saying over the phone yes there are kids outside vandalising my garden then slams the window. I’ve had no
police round and I have a distraught 5 year old thinking she will be arrested, me not wanting to say she doesn’t own the path and showing my kids that she is being ridiculous as I do want them to respect elderly people so not sure how to play it?

my kids have chalked these things on the front of my house for years my eldest is 16 and she has since day dot as have my other 4 kids it’s nothing big or offensive or major in my eyes!! or is it?

now normally when she has a go outside of the painting fence issue and an Ariel issue where it fell down in lockdown and I couldn’t afford to get it removed but it turned out it was hers I apologise and do as she says. Tonight I didn’t I stayed out and I finished my naughts and crosses game and did a bit of hopscotch!! Coloured my house roof I had spent time creating 😂😂😂 I’m rebel!! and I feel quite bad like I’ve done something really naughty this is quite out there for me to not say sorry and stop what I’m doing… I don’t feel
comfortable and then I think I don’t feel
comfortable as I’m being unreasonable

is it a big thing chalking outside your own house?

i know we are all different I personally don’t care. My neighbours on the other side I have no idea what they are doing and not doing and as long as they aren’t setting our fence on fire especially because I buy that fence I see it as their life their garden leave them be and they are like that with me. I couldn’t care less what they do they have had parties and why shouldn’t they!? They can get loud now and then why shouldn’t they it’s not constant and they are just everyday people doing their own thing. I like seeing kids chalk it reminds me there is more to
life than technology I don’t watch tv we have Netflix in our house and that’s it and it’s the account where you only watch one at a time so not even used much. We do have the internet but not much technology so outside and outdoors is important to us.

i guess I’m just here to get others thoughts on this? As I’m not sure if I’m being unreasonable for being a bit fed up now and a bit angry or I’m being angry at myself for being a naughty kid by not going in when my neighbour rightly complained and I’m just one of them mums who thinks their kids can do what they want?
TIA and thanks for reading

OP posts:
lljkk · 12/05/2023 07:47

Come on OP, you know she's full of anxiety and unreasonable.
Credit yourself for being kind enough to try to accommodate her anxiety previously but now you need to shrug it off for your own sanity.

Pity her & always be very polite and even kind, to her face.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:49

7 of you living in the same sized house as your neighbour?

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 07:50

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:49

7 of you living in the same sized house as your neighbour?

There was 7 of us in a 3 bed house when I was growing up. We managed not to inconvenience or upset our neighbours.

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 12/05/2023 07:50

Does she have many family or other people visiting her?
It sounds like she's always been quite difficult/ obsessive/ territorial (the thing about people blocking her view up the street and the assertion that the public path is 'hers' in some way) but she may well now be suffering from dementia (forgetting that she'd given you permission to do the shed) and increased anxiety/ irritability.
If she has children who visit, and you know them well enough to talk to, it might be worth having a word about your concerns for her mental wellbeing?
If she has no-one, maybe it's time to contact your local adult social care team?
Just so they're aware that she's living alone, may be vulnerable and may need various forms of support put in place.
( thinking positively: If they decide that she might now be better suited to more sheltered accommodation, then you might end up with a different neighbour... in which case hopefully you've learnt not to pander to anyone else's unreasonable demands in future...)

Gtsr443 · 12/05/2023 07:51

You both sound like people I wouldn't want as neighbours.

MajesticWhine · 12/05/2023 07:51

Too long.
Got lost and confused around the star topper Confused (but please don't explain)
But yes chalking is ok and your neighbour is a miserable old bat who needs treating with kindness but firmness.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:52

So you, your DP, 5 young children AND multiple dogs

I imagine it is very difficult for your neighbour

LetItGoHome · 12/05/2023 07:52

My children like a bit of chalking. Normally they would do it out the back. But on occasion they have done it on the front pavement.

There is nothing wrong with the chalk but I'd always go out with a watering can and broom and clear it off after. Otherwise it can hang around for a while. It needs a heavy downpour to clear it off otherwise and not always then. I'd rather not be looking at the chalk after the play has finished. Personally I'd expect my neighbours to do the same. I'd never confront anyone over it. But I may nip out with my own watering can and broom after dark 😆

I'm clearly on my own on that one here though!

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:52

Gtsr443 · 12/05/2023 07:51

You both sound like people I wouldn't want as neighbours.

This

with bells on

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:54

And multiple dogs
And you’re hardly objective on how your family was perceived by neighbours. I’d be more interested in what your neighbours had to say!

gardendream · 12/05/2023 07:54

I wouldn’t chalk on the pavement - it’s public space. Chalk in your garden/drive is fine.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:55

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 07:54

And multiple dogs
And you’re hardly objective on how your family was perceived by neighbours. I’d be more interested in what your neighbours had to say!

@GoodChat

GoldenAye · 12/05/2023 08:00

Multiple children, multiple dogs, multiple balls - but you are very, very quiet and never bother the neighbour, except when you clearly do?

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 08:01

@Dustyourselfoff we got on really well with our neighbours. My parents live there now still and they still get on very well with the neighbours on the one side who have been there since we were young and we had older neighbours who lived on the other who sadly passed away but who always treated us etc. they wouldn't have done if we were pains. We had two dogs too, but we were considerate kids.

StripeyDeckchair · 12/05/2023 08:02

This is far to long to read it all.
Stop pandering to her and just live your life normally.
If she interferes with daft requests and threats just tell your kids shes wrong and sometimes other people don't get things right but we don't have to let ourselves be bullied by them.

You are letting her bully you and showing your kids its OK- that needs to stop.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 08:02

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 08:01

@Dustyourselfoff we got on really well with our neighbours. My parents live there now still and they still get on very well with the neighbours on the one side who have been there since we were young and we had older neighbours who lived on the other who sadly passed away but who always treated us etc. they wouldn't have done if we were pains. We had two dogs too, but we were considerate kids.

Did your neighbours have children out of interest?

KittyAlfred · 12/05/2023 08:03

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 11/05/2023 23:52

Sidewalk?

Yeah - OP you lost me at “sidewalk” - I assumed you were American but you mentioned council houses which sounds British.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 08:03

GoldenAye · 12/05/2023 08:00

Multiple children, multiple dogs, multiple balls - but you are very, very quiet and never bother the neighbour, except when you clearly do?

5 children involving very young children through to teenagers

plus multiple dogs

the noise must be off the scale

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 08:10

@Dustyourselfoff one side had two, one my age, one younger.
To be fair, they never disturbed us either but there's more disturbance now that their children have children. The grandchildren are a bit wild, but my parents have 6 grandchildren too so understand they're not always easy.

The older couple had adult children.

All did have dogs too.

This does sound like a case of inconsiderate neighbours, I was just making a point that not all big families are like that.

Ladykryptonite · 12/05/2023 08:10

Gardendream, what does being a public space have to do with chalking?

AxolotlOnions · 12/05/2023 08:10

She sounds awful, keep a log of her behaviour with dates, times, threats, etc. and tell your neighbours to do the same. With all the nuisance phone calls she's been making to the police they probably have opened a file on her by now.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 12/05/2023 08:11

It's fine for children to draw on the pavement with chalk.

Look back at how much you typed there OP - way too much, you are massively overthinking this. Your neighbour is cranky, you don't have to worry about any of it.

Dustyourselfoff · 12/05/2023 08:16

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 08:10

@Dustyourselfoff one side had two, one my age, one younger.
To be fair, they never disturbed us either but there's more disturbance now that their children have children. The grandchildren are a bit wild, but my parents have 6 grandchildren too so understand they're not always easy.

The older couple had adult children.

All did have dogs too.

This does sound like a case of inconsiderate neighbours, I was just making a point that not all big families are like that.

but when you’re talking about a family of 7 with young children plus multiple dogs in a attached 3 bedroom house… you could be the most considerate people on the planet but the level of noise will be very considerable simply by virtue of number of people and animals in such a confined space

Tellmeimcrazy · 12/05/2023 08:17

Honestly OP. I would just ignore her. The police won't do very much. I would sit with the kids and explain that perhaps she isn't very well and that nothing is going to happen.

The trouble with some people is the more accommodating you are the more they want.

Your children are well within their rights to play whatever they want in the garden within reason and safety. If balls go over she isn't obliged to return them, but she is being totally ridiculous.

Just ignore her.

bussteward · 12/05/2023 08:18

Chalk on the pavement is OK, but interestingly in every one of your examples you claim you don’t do the thing she complains of, then correct yourself and say “well I do a bit”: the dogs that don’t bark but do, the litter against the fence that isn’t there but is a bit, the no big balls going over into the garden just loads of little ones instead, the chalk not in front of her house except the bit that is…

I’d love to read her side of the story. Hopefully it would be shorter too!

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