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MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 08:25

I got into trouble at a meeting of people with a common interest. In the beginning, I explained that I had ADHD and asked that if I said anything inappropriate, please tell me, and I'll apologise and stop.
Guess what happened?. I did say something, and instead of telling me to stop, someone challenged my statement, and it went downhill after that.
A lady sitting next to me said that she also had ADHD, but that I should have recognised a line that I should not have crossed.
I told her that I didn't have that ability, I only knew if I got it wrong by the reaction it produced, good or bad.
She told me that wasn't true. She was also prone to inappropriate speech and behaviour but knew what boundaries she shouldn't cross.
Anyway, I was banned from the group, which was hurtful but not unusual. ADHD has cost me friends, jobs, and strained family relationships all my life.

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itsmylife7 · 07/05/2023 13:40

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 13:33

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Are you human OP or AL thingy. You've replied with this comment at least 3 times ?

GreenDressy · 07/05/2023 13:40

@MichelleScarn and @MammaTo
Agreed, and some very odd ideas about what behaviour can be attributed to ADHD, such as abuse, bad behaviour etc. it's pretty insulting to those of us with a diagnosis.

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 13:41

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/05/2023 10:14

You're expecting a lot from other people. You should treat someone "challenging your statement" in exactly the same way as if they were pointing out that you'd said something inappropriate - apologise and move on.

Are you sure that you only have ADHD? Your lack of social-communication ability sounds more like ASC.

I did apologise! As I said that I would.

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Basilthymerosemary · 07/05/2023 13:44

Is it a case that the term "African" is too broad? As Africa is a continent and within it there are many countries with different cultures and ethnicities?
So you can be South African, Moroccan, Sudanese, Nigerian, Egyptian.... they are all "African" but they have distinctly different heritages and ethnic origins.

But from your post- you did nothing wrong.

spottybug · 07/05/2023 13:46

Yeah I think its your use of "choose".

fridaytwattery · 07/05/2023 13:48

spottybug · 07/05/2023 13:46

Yeah I think its your use of "choose".

Yep, you can't choose to be a particular race - you either are that race, are not, or are of mixed race.

Race is not the same as nationality, which I think is confusing many on this thread.

Hawkins003 · 07/05/2023 13:54

Readin with intrigue

ChrisPPancake · 07/05/2023 13:58

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 13:39

To everyone who knows someone with ADHD, we're not all the same. People with physical disabilities, like me, may need a wheelchair for different reasons. We're not all the same either.

You're not all the same, no, and I don't think anyone has said that. They're saying that ADHD is not an excuse to be offensive/rude/inappropriate and if you are using it as such (which is how your op came across) then you're in the wrong.

DojaPhat · 07/05/2023 13:59

Race, nationality and ethnic origin really has done a number on many many people! Yikes!
Nationality is not "fixed", and you can be born in Africa without being 'African'. How odd.

ImthatBoleyngirl · 07/05/2023 14:02

Neopolitan · 07/05/2023 11:54

You are very rude and aggressive, @ImthatBoleyngirl . To educate you, ADHD stands for Attention Deficit HYPERACTIVITY Disorder. In order to have ADHD, hyperactivity must be present as the core tenant. The other form, that doesn't have hyperactivity, is ADD or, Attention Deficit Disorder.

I'd like you to clarify exactly what I said that was agressive and rude.

ADD is an outdated term and no longer used as a medical diagnosis.

Hyperactivity can also mean that the brain is overactive, not the body. ADHD is also exhausting and ends up in lack of motivation so just crashing and not moving for hours.

I have diagnosed ADHD so I am well aware of how it presents.

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:03

Kanaloa · 07/05/2023 11:03

Seriously though, what is the actual point? Like what is op even getting from this thread? It’s totally pointless and I semi think mumsnet shouldn’t even allow threads like this - they’re just a total waste of time. Why set out a detailed op while leaving out the one obvious detail that is necessary to answer?

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MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:04

WheelsUp · 07/05/2023 12:00

There's a chance that the group overreacted. Sometimes the leaders/organiser can have prejudices of their own which means that they can't accept people who believe the opposite to them.

There was a recent thread where an OP said that she developed an aversion to her husband as he voted Leave. Lots of answers said that they would see it as a red line too which is ironic as they see voting Leave as a sign that the person is intolerant to others.

People can have their own boundaries and red lines which is fine but sometimes they will appear unreasonable to others.

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MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:05

Christmascracker0 · 07/05/2023 12:24

Man, I love threads like this. 8 pages of posters arguing amongst each other and still no follow up from the OP.

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nirbil · 07/05/2023 14:06

Why do you keep saying you have posted more information?

Can you not just skip to where the thread is at now?

I asked why telling people you are African is anything to do with ADHD, can you explain this?

Hohohogreenjennie · 07/05/2023 14:06

Could it be confusion between the terms ‘ethnicity’ and ‘nationality’?

If you are born in Africa, or more specifically an African country, you are African (or that particular nationality). But maybe they think you are stating you are black because they confuse African with meaning Black African? When you are in fact stating you are African without specifying your actual ethnicity (which was the whole point of the conversation in the first place). Maybe in future refer to the nationality rather than generically saying African to avoid further conflict (although that seems unfair when you don’t appear to have done anything wrong).

You should honestly complain about the group & incident. People shouldn’t be presuming your ethnic identity, especially when you have already told them you are of mixed heritage and were born in Africa. Are they saying you’re not African because you don’t look African? It’s like those people who claim Meghan Markle isn’t mixed race because she looks too white 🤨

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:07

NoTouch · 07/05/2023 13:18

From your telling of the situation it doesn't sound as it you were being inappropriate at all. Although I know we can't, it would be interesting to hear their side to see what they and the rest of the group took issue with.

Do you think they were perhaps struggling with your ND in general and using this as a way to oust you?

I have no idea why they responded as they did, which is why I posted this 😍

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Mirabai · 07/05/2023 14:07

As you are mixed race the answer to the racial question is ‘mixed race’ or ‘multiple ethnic’ no?

They sound like a weird bunch of people but African is an odd answer if you’re mixed ethnic heritage.

LateAF · 07/05/2023 14:07

midgemadgemodge · 07/05/2023 13:19

You can be born in Africa without being African

Did you ever qualify for a passport from an African country?

She's talking about the race forms though.

OP has stated she's not black and these forms clearly state BLACK - African/Caribbean etc. The African option is no available for any other races as its only used to describe which black race you are. So OP is being goady putting her race as BLACK on these forms even though she's a non black mixed raced person who was born in Africa. She's skewing the statistics by ticking her race as black african.

As a black African OP is wrong. The forms do annoy me for various reasons, but OP is wrong to declare herself black just because she was born in AfricA.

TheKobayashiMaru · 07/05/2023 14:10

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 13:21

I'm sorry for not answering sooner, I've been out.

Apologies OP

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:11

ChrisPPancake · 07/05/2023 13:58

You're not all the same, no, and I don't think anyone has said that. They're saying that ADHD is not an excuse to be offensive/rude/inappropriate and if you are using it as such (which is how your op came across) then you're in the wrong.

I don't use it as an excuse, I always apologise and stop.
The reason I tell people that I expect to be working with or socialising with is so they are aware, and if I get it wrong, to tell me.

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Mirabai · 07/05/2023 14:13

LateAF · 07/05/2023 14:07

She's talking about the race forms though.

OP has stated she's not black and these forms clearly state BLACK - African/Caribbean etc. The African option is no available for any other races as its only used to describe which black race you are. So OP is being goady putting her race as BLACK on these forms even though she's a non black mixed raced person who was born in Africa. She's skewing the statistics by ticking her race as black african.

As a black African OP is wrong. The forms do annoy me for various reasons, but OP is wrong to declare herself black just because she was born in AfricA.

If she’s mixed race Caucasian and black African then she’s not “non-black” - what a weird phrase.

ChrisPPancake · 07/05/2023 14:14

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:11

I don't use it as an excuse, I always apologise and stop.
The reason I tell people that I expect to be working with or socialising with is so they are aware, and if I get it wrong, to tell me.

So you're making other people responsible for your behaviour?

MobilityCat · 07/05/2023 14:17

LateAF · 07/05/2023 14:07

She's talking about the race forms though.

OP has stated she's not black and these forms clearly state BLACK - African/Caribbean etc. The African option is no available for any other races as its only used to describe which black race you are. So OP is being goady putting her race as BLACK on these forms even though she's a non black mixed raced person who was born in Africa. She's skewing the statistics by ticking her race as black african.

As a black African OP is wrong. The forms do annoy me for various reasons, but OP is wrong to declare herself black just because she was born in AfricA.

I'm not being goady, I declared myself to be African, not black. You may describe yourself as British, although you're either English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. Or a mix.

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LateAF · 07/05/2023 14:17

Mirabai · 07/05/2023 14:13

If she’s mixed race Caucasian and black African then she’s not “non-black” - what a weird phrase.

But from all her messages she's not mixed with any black. She's mixed race but not African racially in any way (only nationality), as OP stated below:

"Since I'm from Africa, I described myself as African, although I'm not a black person as such."

It's not a weird phrase - she's non-black African because she's not black racially.

She's wrong to use the "Black African" option to describe her race instead of using the mixed race options available on the form.

Skodacool · 07/05/2023 14:17

Well OP, I think you’re better off without this group. I would find a group that doesn’t take such ridiculous offence.