To think Camilla should not have been crowned Queen

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She should have been Princess Consort as we were told she would be. Instead the usual airbrushing of history to try and make her acceptable by clever spinning. And positive press. Bit sickening since Edward VIII had to abdicate over marrying a divorced woman.

Nobody has ever put Diana on a pedestal because she was perfect. She is loved, even sainted because she was a romantic young woman who tried to create a fairytale marriage with a prince, despite her damaging upbringing, mental health problems and character flaws working against her. She was honest about her feelings and her vulnerabilities when it all came crashing down.

How does cheating help create a fairytale marriage?

Experimenting at the detriment of other married women, what a peach. I think knowingly inflicting the same pain that she went through on the likes of Julia Carling makes her worse than Charles.

Henry VIii had his marriages annulled.AFAIK.pope wouldn't allow him too annul or divorce Katherine so he started his own church.

Eleanor of Aquitaine annulled marriage (fiasco I agree)
George iv not sure.

So nothing has changed. Same old hypocrisy and rule bending.

Edward VIII was not forced to abdicate because he was a Nazi sympathiser - he was, but so were half the Establishment at that time.

The point was not his actual political views, but the fact that he had shown that he was happy to voice those views so openly, even when they went against government policy, something a constitutional monarch should never do.

Yes , of course she knew what she was saying. Queen is the title given to a Queen Consort (queen because she is married to a king) and also to a Queen Regnant (queen in her own right). QEII was being precise.

Of the last few queens of England, Victoria and Elizabeth were queens regnant, Alexandra, Mary and the other Elizabeth were queens consort.

@Sudeko she didn't call it a fairy tale that was the machine around her!!

But... Although I absolutely hated it at the time, now compared to today's brides I think her dress is wondrous and lavish and glorious.

Sainted? I just threw up in my mouth.

If you a hereditary monarchy you can't choose. You get a human with all their imperfections. I think it's ludicrous that anyone has strong feelings on what happened in Charles' marriages. None of us were there. He's the king and he's been married to Camilla for 18 years loved her for plenty more. I've seen nothing of Charles or Camilla that makes them untenable. We'd have far bigger problems if it were Harry or worse Andrew. Then I think the republicans would seize the moment and quite rightly.

I can’t work up any annoyance about this. For those of us who lived through the Diana years it is truly bizarre to see Camilla up there being crowned. However, she is his wife and therefore his queen. It’s how it works.

Life is long and people are complicated.

It depends upon the fairytale. It can do if both parties are accepting of it but this was clearly not the case with Diana. The Kennedy couple were both serial adulterers and by all accounts, had no intention of breaking up. I know a number of charming wealthy people in open marriages.
Perhaps Charles assumed that an eventual open relationship was a normal expectation for a royal but this messed with her head as her fairytale marriage could not accommodate such a thing.

^^ Yes yes yes

But I now wonder...if Charles had died before becoming King, what would she be? Couldn't be PoW any more... Dowager Duchess of Cornwall?

@FMLWTF well said

Indeed, and records show that Baldwin et al thought that his pro German feelings would conflict with foreign policy.

I got married the same sort of time. Silk dress same. Very similar. Mine didn't crease!

SHE never wanted a fairy tale.

That's was media spin and the man at thier wedding.

Roussette. You've talked of your wedding dress before. I think it sounds lovely. Post a picture!

It's upstairs! I would do and it is lovely and though I say so myself, it is far more beautiful than Di's! (it's only me that thinks this probably!) It was made by a tailor in silk in a town not far from me..
If I catch up with you and can do a pic, I will !

Y'see Camilla had a past and they didn't want any kiss 'n' tell stories in the press and that's why it had to be a virgin .

@Roussette really!! That's amazing.

Yes do post a pic.

What did you think of Harry today. I saw camilla had lots of personal details on her dress, what did Charles have??

Tough shit innit

That idea went down well didn't it?!

They are an ordinary/dysfunctional family and all that goes with it. They can't go on with keeping a lid on relationships/emotions/bad marriages. I mean... even Anne's husband had a baby with another woman whilst still married to her.

Rousette really?? Didn't know that about Anne.

This is one narrative; there are others. For example: Charles and Camilla were together long before Charles had any romantic relationship with Diana Spencer. Perhaps Charles and Camilla believed that there was an enduring bond between them, and if not for his royal status/role they would have married in the early '70s and lived happily and faithfully ever after. As it was, they felt (or were told) they could not marry each other, and so each married a different partner out of necessity or expedience, but found that their primary bond remained to each other. Perhaps Camilla saw Diana as "the other woman" and Charles saw APB as "the other man".

I'm not promoting or arguing for that narrative as "more true" than any other, just saying it's possible and even reasonable that both Charles and Camilla genuinely believe that they have acted ethically and morally, overall.