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Roussette · 06/05/2023 14:00

LakieLady · 06/05/2023 13:59

In the late 70s/early 80s, I lived near a football ground. There were always mounted police around on match days, and I saw people setting off bangers, shouting, waving flags and all sorts near the horses.

The horses barely flinched, because they were trained not to.

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Yes, and today there were those massive drums mounted either side of the horse with the drummer on it, banging away

Againstmachine · 06/05/2023 14:04

SofiaSoFar · 06/05/2023 13:53

I'm fucking appalled at people agreeing with these arrests!

As others have pointed out, forget that you might wholeheartedly support the royal family and this coronation for a minute. These preemptive arrests are a massive issue and we should all be extremely worried by them.

What powers do you think the police are using? Do you think these new powers only apply for the coronation???

What happens when the Tories decide they aren't going to with the next general election so decide there just won't be an election? You won't be allowed to protest about that, either.

Use your bloody brains, people.

You only had to look at the covid threads a few years ago, people wanted people arrested for sitting on a bench and they were wanting Chinese style crackdowns, but worst thing is people on here get gas lightly as hell and pretend it never happened.

So non of this surprises me.

anunlikelyseahorse · 06/05/2023 14:06

Theunamedcat · 06/05/2023 08:41

Why is anyone surprised? They ate arresting people most likely to cause an issue

I thought cannibalism was illegal.

Comedycook · 06/05/2023 14:10

Vile country we've become.

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:35

Comedycook · 06/05/2023 14:10

Vile country we've become.

If that’s how you feel then talk to your MP or vote with your feet.

countrygirl99 · 06/05/2023 14:40

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:35

If that’s how you feel then talk to your MP or vote with your feet.

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Hard to vote with our feet since Brexit. And my MP voted for these dreadful regulations.

pointythings · 06/05/2023 14:41

@HadalyEve this is always what you lot come out with. Don't like it? Leave the country. No dissent is tolerated.

Never mind that Brexit has made it extremely difficult for people to do what you've suggested.

countrygirl99 · 06/05/2023 14:41

Abd are people not allowed an opinion about the direction of travel in our politics? Is that really what this country has become

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cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 14:44

This is the Deputy Chair of the Conservatives telling people to emigrate if they don't want a Monarchy.

Lee Anderson MP@LeeAndersonMP_
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3hNot My King?

If you do not wish to live in a country that has a monarchy the solution is not to turn up with your silly boards.

The solution is to emigrate.

https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_

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Roussette · 06/05/2023 14:45

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:35

If that’s how you feel then talk to your MP or vote with your feet.

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Very hard to complain to your MP if he (mine) doesn't reply and the only way you can get him to answer is to complain to the local Conservative office and CCHQ in London.

Just sayin'

Roussette · 06/05/2023 14:46

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 14:44

This is the Deputy Chair of the Conservatives telling people to emigrate if they don't want a Monarchy.

Lee Anderson MP@LeeAndersonMP_
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3hNot My King?

If you do not wish to live in a country that has a monarchy the solution is not to turn up with your silly boards.

The solution is to emigrate.

I saw that. Disgusting. Luckily I'd put money on him out on his ear at the next GE

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/05/2023 14:46

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:35

If that’s how you feel then talk to your MP or vote with your feet.

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I think my MP would be happy to see me locked up with todays protesters.

Roussette · 06/05/2023 14:47

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/05/2023 14:46

I think my MP would be happy to see me locked up with todays protesters.

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Mine too. He doesn't like dissent.

Tarantullah · 06/05/2023 14:48

countrygirl99 · 06/05/2023 14:41

Abd are people not allowed an opinion about the direction of travel in our politics? Is that really what this country has become

It doesn't seem anyone is allowed an opinion unless it aligns with others.

90stalgia · 06/05/2023 14:51

Roussette · 06/05/2023 14:08

This article sums it up. The 5 were arrested at 7.30am. What is heartening is... it is going worldwide.

https://time.com/6277591/anti-monarchy-protesters-arrested-king-charles-coronation

Why is there a 'Princess of Hearts' banner featuring Kate, amid all the 'Not My King' banners?

Glad this is getting coverage.

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:51

pointythings · 06/05/2023 14:41

@HadalyEve this is always what you lot come out with. Don't like it? Leave the country. No dissent is tolerated.

Never mind that Brexit has made it extremely difficult for people to do what you've suggested.

You missed the “talk to your MP” which was the first option I suggested which is actually how our democracy works? Democracy isn’t based on who shouts the loudest in the streets. 1,700 protesters do not in any world represent the majority will of 70 million people. Ive been to village fayres with bigger turnouts, and more arrests.

Brexit hasn’t made it ‘extremely difficult’ to emigrate to English speaking countries which is where most Brits go.

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 14:53

countrygirl99 · 06/05/2023 14:40

Hard to vote with our feet since Brexit. And my MP voted for these dreadful regulations.

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For better or worse that’s what the majority have voted for. You can’t only support Democracy when it aligns with your opinion.

pointythings · 06/05/2023 14:54

1,700 protesters do not in any world represent the majority will of 70 million people.

You don't understand how freedom and democracy works, do you?

They don't have to. They should be free to express their dissent.

That is what all of this is about. Monarchists do not have an inalienable right to have their precious coronation free of banners expressing disagreement with having a monarchy at all, that's the whole point of living in a free and democratic society.

On your other point, try emigrating to NZ, Canada or Australia without meeting a whole raft of preconditions around your qualifications, experience, earning power - even your health. Not so easy.

neilyoungismyhero · 06/05/2023 14:58

I saw plenty of people waving anti monarchy/Charles banners..they were being left alone.

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cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 15:01

Each time Republican protesters broke out into chants of 'not my King', concerted boos and jeers went up from the rest of the crowd, before turning into cheers when the protesters were drowned out.
Elaine Myatt, 63, from Stoke on Trent said: 'I'm not having it. It's an insult to to the King. The protesters have taken up a prime position and Charles is going to come past here and see them when he could see the thousands of us who are cheering and supporting him.'
Her friend Jenny Gannon, 66, also from Stoke, agreed and said: 'Who would replace the King if we were to become a republic? I certainly wouldn't want a president Boris Johnson.'
The Clay family from Ashford, Kent, were amongst some of the loudest people expressing their support for the monarchy and drowning out the protesters - and were showing no signs of fatigue despite their 5am start.
Grandmother Maggie Clay, her daughters Georgina and Alex, and grandchildren Marnie, 11, Micky, 7 and Beau, 6, labelled the protesters 'fun sponges' and said they had only shown up to spoil the day for people who like the Royal family rather than out of any real conviction. They had even recruited an American tourist to join in with their cheers.
Ms Clay said: 'We've been shouting back at them because they're party poopers. We're just here trying to have a good time.
'They [the protestors] are all going to have the Monday Bank Holiday off aren't they. They're probably going to have a drink after this with their friends too. It's hypocrisy.'

You could play bingo with a lot of those statements.

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MarkWithaC · 06/05/2023 15:03

XBealtaine · 06/05/2023 08:59

Do they have the right to protest today though?

Is every day equal or can they be democratically prevented from protesting this one day out of 365 in 70 years? I'm Irish, so hardly invested in to the longevity of the monarchy but ruining a day that means a lot to other people, is that about exercising a democratic right ? or about ruining something a slight majority (?) wants. Like I say, I don't understand how the nuances of all of that are democratic or anti-democratic..

It wouldn't mean so much if they protested about the monarchy on a random Thursday.
And the largest protest group say they had many constructive conversations with the police in advance in which the two parties were mutually satisfied that they would be safe in doing what they proposed to do. Going back on it on the day looks like bad faith at the very least.

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cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 15:03

By arresting the Head of Republic, they will have scored a massive own goal and created more problems and much more debate about the Monarchy and the new protest laws.

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HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 15:03

pointythings · 06/05/2023 14:54

1,700 protesters do not in any world represent the majority will of 70 million people.

You don't understand how freedom and democracy works, do you?

They don't have to. They should be free to express their dissent.

That is what all of this is about. Monarchists do not have an inalienable right to have their precious coronation free of banners expressing disagreement with having a monarchy at all, that's the whole point of living in a free and democratic society.

On your other point, try emigrating to NZ, Canada or Australia without meeting a whole raft of preconditions around your qualifications, experience, earning power - even your health. Not so easy.

“They should be free to express their dissent.”

They are free to express their dissent and they did express their dissent.

Arresting a handful of protesters for having illegal lock on devices or carrying paint- as in clearly having intentions beyond peaceful protest didn’t take away anyone else’s freedom to protest. Every protester there that followed the rules protested merrily away.