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whereaw · 06/05/2023 12:34

I mean, are you even British if you don't turn your self hatred outwards to gleefully proclaim the evils and inadequacies of the British land, government and people to all who will listen? We are but a laughing stock.. what what.

I guess it makes a change from talking about the weather.

StraightOuttaContext · 06/05/2023 12:34

This country and its weirdness around animals... People are more bothered about the hypothetical possibility of some trained horses potentially getting spooked than they are about human beings actually getting arrested for having an opinion.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:35

https://news.sky.com/story/kings-coronation-anti-monarchy-group-leader-among-activists-arrested-on-way-to-protest-site-12874307

@nothingcomestonothing

Here is the link that says that police did believe there was a plan to climb the barrier. Protestors said they weren't planning that but we can't 100% take their word for it can we? And if they had climbed the barrier and caused trouble then the officers who had the chance to do something to stop it but didn't would have found themselves in the shit big time.

Rock. Hard place.

King's coronation: Protester holding megaphone arrested as police say he could 'scare horses'

It is the latest in a series of arrests made ahead of today's coronation service. The leader of anti-monarchy group Republic was led away in a police van as he made his way to a protest site, while more than a dozen Just Stop Oil protesters were detain...

https://news.sky.com/story/kings-coronation-anti-monarchy-group-leader-among-activists-arrested-on-way-to-protest-site-12874307

Roussette · 06/05/2023 12:35

This thread is turning into a joke!

Whaeanui · 06/05/2023 12:36

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:33

@Whaeanui

The protestors aren't police though. Would they have used the megaphone sensibily or would they have angrily screamed down it? What if they had indeed climbed the barrier as the horses and King were going past and caused chaos? They would have got in trouble then for not acting sooner.

You seem like quite a nervous person to be speaking with so many what ifs. Again, the horses are trained for riots. Not the police on megaphones, but anyone else. Fights. Smoke bombs. Actual riots. You honestly have no idea but keep persisting in your fantasy narrative.

2ManyPjs · 06/05/2023 12:36

This is what pro monarchy 'protesters' look like. And in this case they were celebrating rather than protesting so I'm sure you can imagine (you like to "imagine" don't you?) what their actual protests would look like. Do your same standards still apply @Prescottdanni123 ?

Arrested for holding a banner - can't ruin a big day, can we...
Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:37

@pointythings

Ummm, yes those kind of protests can happen. You don't do anything that might injure an animal and you don't do anything that might injure a human. Simple.

Seriously, I'm done.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 12:37

Protestors said they weren't planning that but we can't 100% take their word for it can we? And if they had climbed the barrier and caused trouble then the officers who had the chance to do something to stop it but didn't would have found themselves in the shit big time

I don't trust the police at all. I would not take their word at face value.

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HoldingTheDoor · 06/05/2023 12:38

Seriously, I'm done.

Thank fuck for that!

2ManyPjs · 06/05/2023 12:39

@HoldingTheDoor 😂

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:39

@2Manypjs

That is also awful. My grievance is with any protest that includes violence or risks animals or humans.

Bearchair · 06/05/2023 12:40

I mean hundreds (now thousands?) are protesting and haven't been arrested. I am also dubious and worried about the laws being passed by government to restrict our liberties, but I don't think the arrest of a few people or search of some who are part of a group notorious for their disruptive 'stunts' (JSO) is particularly reminiscent of NK. Its a huge security op and I suspect anyone scaling the barriers would be reprimanded and dealt with. There's snipers all about ffs let alone people on the ground dealing with stuff like this.

IClaudine · 06/05/2023 12:40

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:15

@pointythings

You are the one who has ignored all of the cases mentioned where trained horses have spooked. There have been many royal occasions where the horses haven't spooked at the normal crowd. But these occasions haven't included megaphones or people jumping the barrier so the police took action to stop these things happening because they weren't sure how the horses would respond. Although it is also highly likely that the police were worried about how 'peaceful' protestors with a megaphone and a plan to climb the barrier were actually going to be.

Or maybe they weren't planning on climbing the barrier but police couldn't take that risk.

Well, when the Queen was fired at six times during the trooping of the colour, none of the horses spooked. That suggests they are well trained to deal with the unexpected.

Roussette · 06/05/2023 12:40

From Republic...

He said the group has been "open" with the police about what they had planned.
"They've said it's perfectly legal for us to bring placards, bring flags and protest the coronation," he added. "In a democratic society it is absolutely our right to do this and be peaceful and that's what we are planning to do."

But one bloke with a megaphone was too much. Take away the megaphone then!

This heavy handed approach is stopping all protest and we should be very worried about that.

nothingcomestonothing · 06/05/2023 12:40

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:35

https://news.sky.com/story/kings-coronation-anti-monarchy-group-leader-among-activists-arrested-on-way-to-protest-site-12874307

@nothingcomestonothing

Here is the link that says that police did believe there was a plan to climb the barrier. Protestors said they weren't planning that but we can't 100% take their word for it can we? And if they had climbed the barrier and caused trouble then the officers who had the chance to do something to stop it but didn't would have found themselves in the shit big time.

Rock. Hard place.

Well the Met also believe that men can be women if they have special feelings, so forgive me for wanting a bit more than 'we thought they thought about doing something' as evidence of a crime. Thinking isn't currently a crime, and there is no evidence the protesters were thinking the thought anyway.

And if it came to taking the word of anyone in this scenario, I'd think twice before going with the Met police, do you read the news? Rotten to the core.

StraightOuttaContext · 06/05/2023 12:41

Yes I for one absolutely 100% without a doubt completely trust the police to react proportionally in any given circumstance. They definitely do not have any form whatsoever for abusing their power/fucking up/etc. I applaud them for arresting people for doing nothing wrong and encourage them to crack on until our great nation is cleansed of thinky unpleasantness.

Roussette · 06/05/2023 12:41

HoldingTheDoor · 06/05/2023 12:38

Seriously, I'm done.

Thank fuck for that!

Didn't happen. Unfortunately!

pointythings · 06/05/2023 12:42

@Prescottdanni123 all protests carry risk. That's a face, because everything carries a risk.

Imagine (if I may take a leaf out of your book):

A peaceful protest. Protestors walk peacefully with banners, calling out slogans. It's a beautiful sunny day, there's a happy party atmosphere. A police officer assigned to monitor the protest is overcome by the heat and ends up in hospital.

Wouldn't have happened if the protest hadn't been taking place, so by your logic that protest shouldn't have been allowed - there was a risk to a human being.

This is the sort of ridiculous thing you have been doing on this thread.

IClaudine · 06/05/2023 12:44

IClaudine · 06/05/2023 12:40

Well, when the Queen was fired at six times during the trooping of the colour, none of the horses spooked. That suggests they are well trained to deal with the unexpected.

Actually, tbf, I think the Queen's horse did spooka little, but as an experienced horse woman she was able to deal with that.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:44

To be clear, I didn't say I was done with everyone.

Just wanting to be clear with @2ManyPjs that I think violence or dangerous actions is bad no matter what people are protesting for.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 12:46

The being arrested for your own safety is a tactic that I have read before.

Because the Monarchists might turn on you if you stand there protesting.

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2ManyPjs · 06/05/2023 12:46

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:44

To be clear, I didn't say I was done with everyone.

Just wanting to be clear with @2ManyPjs that I think violence or dangerous actions is bad no matter what people are protesting for.

What, like.....carrying a megaphone?

Florenz · 06/05/2023 12:46

Hopefully all these threads will go away now the Coronation is part of history.

nothingcomestonothing · 06/05/2023 12:47

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:44

To be clear, I didn't say I was done with everyone.

Just wanting to be clear with @2ManyPjs that I think violence or dangerous actions is bad no matter what people are protesting for.

Luckily the republic organisers who were arrested this morning didn't commit any violence or any dangerous actions, and there is no evidence they planned to. So you now support them then? As they haven't done the stuff you object to?

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 12:47

@2ManyPjs

And planning to climb a barrier. I doubt they were planning that in order to give Charles a hug.

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