To be enjoying this downfall?

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So today someone has released a new video outlining the chef/campaigner Jack Monroe's many many lies AND it was announced today that one of her previous donors has been successful in getting her summoned to court to address an unpaid CCJ. As someone who has been irritated by her obvious lies for years I can't deny I'm so happy word is getting out!

The fake alcoholic stuff does me, it's clearly all gone up her nose.

She isn't an alcoholic, she's a coke head.

What difference does it make?

Well, it’s a smokescreen, if you claim you’re an alcoholic when you’re actually a coke head you can point to the fact that you’re “sober” if/when something happens in your behaviour to cause people to ask questions

It was held in Stroud. An affluent, generally older middle class area, named as one of the best places to live in 2022. Should have been an easy gig and probably about the right demographic audience. Maybe it’s because it clashed with Gardeners World?

I actually worked with someone with a rather similar modus operandi on a go fund me kind of thing a good few years ago - but in entertainment. Unbeknown to me this person was rather fond of the marching powder. Not a horrible person at all, but it wasall very much about feeling special and liking the attention and totally forgot as large amounts of money pinged in that it wasn't 'spending money' it was money to deliver certain products- I ended up finding quite a bit myself just to get it out the way as my name was attached to it- learnt a very big lesson not to take someone at face value and not to get involved in such things. In jacks case, I think it's the attention that is a big thing but little work ethic behind it and a liking for the middle class lifestyle - it can all go very very wrong though if you dont deliver and this has turned out to be so, especially when you have told a lot of porkys along the way.

You can’t be that naive. Are you really brainwashed by the culture wars so
much that you’re unable to understand there is a large number of trolls who just go after any high profile person? And they will be more than happy to attack JK and JM?

Look at what’s happening on Twitter now that PS has been named. They are now going after another high profile person.

You might need to do some reading to protect yourself online.

She used to be on here and when the first criticisms of her started used to come onto threads and mouth off. That was before all her lies had truly been exposed and there was still a tiny possibility she wasn't exactly a lying thief, but just misguided and defensive. As she's always been fast on the "I'll see you in court" button, HQ understandably tended to delete. As her scamming is in the public domain now, that doesn't really happen now. But yes, I'm sure she's still around.

(This was around the time she became a he for about half an hour)

Her username was MxJackMonroe
Might still be for all I know, unless she lost the passwords like she tried to claim for the reason she couldn't stop Patreon...

I dimly remember her coming on here to slag off a woman at a pub. Very unpleasant as I recall, her true opinion of working class people came out there and that was before she tried to claim being working class.

I'm baffled that anyone is still claiming she's an effective poverty campaigner. Claiming you can feed a family on twenty quid a week is straight from the more Tory headbangery playbook that anyone struggling is feckless.

If they’re genuine trolls, they’re just the modern version of the poison pen letter. Nothing new, and that why anyone in the public eye really should have an agent/manager to run their SM and actively avoid personal exchanges and interaction in order to screen out these people. JM (and others) have used Twitter particularly to lash out. Again, it’s just the 21st century’s version of a screaming match in the forum.
Sure, use SM to publicise an issue that you feel strongly about, but don’t use it to actively attack others or to open up your private life to public scrutiny. If JM is going to post every unfiltered thought, she’s bound to attract comment - welcome or otherwise.

Jack love you must know we can recognise your (fairly idiosyncratic) writing style!

In complete agreement.

Does she caveat anywhere that that's short term, emergency management only and not sustainable long term? Because that really is the worst thing. Imagine the health implications alone. It can't be done.

@potniatheron "Jack love you must know we can recognise your (fairly idiosyncratic) writing style!"

🤣Yesterday someone thought I was a well known children's book recommendation website! I wonder who I'll be tomorrow...

This is incorrect. Anthropologists believe that gossip plays an important part in the evolution of human settlements as it enables members of the group to identify bad actors who may threaten the cohesion, stability or survival of the group. They also believe that it is an important displacement activity as an escape valve against intergroup violence.

In this case, if Jack Monroe is indeed scamming money, it's important to talk about that to try to prevent other people from falling victim.

I personally feel dumb as hell as I used to give her money as I thought it went to foodbanks, then throughout 2019 and 2020 I saw her wanging on about random stuff she'd bought, ridiculous levels like she said on telly she has three freezers. Why have I been giving her money for three freezers when I only have one, i asked myself? Answer came there none.

I should've known really as prior to this, in I think around 2017, I was engaged in what I thought was a civilised discussion about her politics on twitter and I mentioned something she'd said that I personally thought was ill-considered and damaging. A bunch of her followers came down on me like a ton of bricks, then started going through my old twitter posts, accounts i followed and accusing me of all sorts. I don't know if she saw it or what because I freaked out and deleted my twitter, re-joining a year later. But honesly. Can you imagine Nigella or Jamie fans doing that. You can also be judged by the company you keep.

Sorry you experienced that attack. Quite often her "followers" are sock puppet accounts though...

You're labouring under the misapprehension that people criticising Jack are trolls operating in the same manner as the trolls who attack JK etc. they are not. She is not being trolled, she is being called out.

I literally have no idea. But it definitely made me wiser to the ways of Twitter.

I know the anthropological theory you refer to about gossip and cohesion, I’m more interested on the effect on the individual.

@WilkinsonM exactly!

There's a difference between trolling, ie: deliberately posting inflammatory remarks to provoke, and shining a light on someone's lies and quite frankly fraudulent behaviour.

You said "being vitriolic is so bad for you" and then "How do Tattlers feel..."

So I reasonably assumed that you were talking about the effect of gossip on gossipers. Generally it has a good effect. Recent research suggests that gossiping binds subgroups together and releases dopamine. Of course we have known this for a long time without science having to tell us. The patriarchy has tried to convince us that 'gossiping' is bad because they associate it with something that women do. But all humans do it in some shape or form at some point in their lives. In fact it can even save lives. We have all been warned in the Ladies Room at a nightclub about the dodgy guy lurking around trying to buy random women drinks. Or we have been good enough to warn others.

As to the person being gossiped about, it's rarely pleasant. I was once the subject of workplace gossip, albeit for a fault I knew was my own. I mended my ways.

In Jack's case, I have told about my experience of being bullied by her followers on Twitter because I had the temerity to disagree with her hatred of Jeremy Corbyn. I would hope she was not aware of what was going on, but I have since noticed that she seems to talk a great deal of pleasure in the antics of her 'flying monkeys'.

I guess that’s a new space. Historically people gossiped about people they knew and that was useful- if the miller was dishonest then people needed to know. There’s a long thread at the moment about daytime tv presenters- the vitriol on that is definitely of no use. This sits in a liminal space between the dishonest miller and the tv presenters.

JM is dishonest. She lies and scams people out of money. No liminal space about it whatsoever.

But my point is historically (and I mean in anthropological terms- not the effect for example of banks failing last century) gossip was useful when it was about people known personally and there was a practical action people could take- shun the miller or dodgy priest. This is a situation we’re not ‘wired’ to deal with. That’s what I mean by saying there’s a different function and effect. Speculating on SM scammers sits between warning each other about the cheating tradesman- definitely useful and gossiping about tv stars- pointless and harmful. And I’m focussing on the effect on the people having the conversation not the subject of the conversation.

I disagree. I think it’s firmly in the dodgy miller camp. Because she is, or would appear to be, a dodgy charity activist. And she appears to be slippery with the way she presents herself - different personae at different times. As an example, she used to talk about having been severely anorexic, and I was empathetic and interested in this, having been hospitalised for anorexia in my teens. But then I was confused and angry to subsequently see her posting thinspo selfies: angles and photoshopping to emphasise cheekbones, thin arms, waist, thighs. For the uninitiated that’s the equivalent of walking into an NA meeting and doing a big fat line at the podium. At best it’s disingenuous, at worst it’s downright fakery for likes.

I would also argue that the Phil Schofield thing is in the miller camp. We the public support these people via views on TV, via responding to adverts, our eyeballs pay their salaries. To continue your village analogy, Phil is the dodgy parish priest who preaches morals to us on Sunday and is up to no good with the choir boys on Monday. Fair game to discuss him.

As to the effect of gossiping on the gossiper, I posted earlier about recent research on the beneficial effects of indulging in moderate amounts of gossiping. It’s good for our brains and it’s good for social cohesion.

Not head to head completely disagreeing with you about Scholf and JM. The latter also had a sobriety story and as a recovering addict I found was very uncomfortable, but it was a million miles away from seeing an AA friend or family member dissembling. And I’m still not convinced about any positive effect on the individual.