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AIBU to be upset by these complaints against me?

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Govangirl · 04/05/2023 22:22

Hi all. This has only happened within the past 5-6 hours, so still very fresh and a bit emotional about it.

I work with students and we hold a debating event every month or so. As it’s designed as a deliberative space, the icebreaker has to set the tone for the evening, and so for the past 6 events we’ve played a kind of “devils advocate” game wherein they pull clearly controversial opinions out of hats, and the “goal” is to debate this from both sides (equally if possible, though not always). This allows them to see things from different perspectives, and also encourages them to get into the deliberative, debating mindset.

Anyway (sorry for the waffle!) today we were joined by 2 new students, who had issues from the start. They said the lights were too bright (we dimmed them) and that the microphones were too loud (we lowered the volume and offered them ear protectors). I’m neurotypical myself so completely understand that these can negatively impact people. When the icebreaker was played, they called me over as the facilitator and explained that they would not be participating as they had fundamentally disagreed with the first prompt. They both trauma dumped excessively while not letting me get a word in edgeways, and then accused me of being racist, homophobic, and ableist because I had written out the prompts. I explained (or tried to) that it was MEANT to be controversial, and the aim was to get them to understand diff perspectives etc. but they were having none of it. They said they’d be making complaints about me, and I showed them how to access the feedback form for the event and gave my name when required.

They seemed to really enjoy the rest of the debate and got quite animated and engaged, which is why I suppose I guessed they wouldn’t make the complaint. They also both thanked me for hosting at the end.

I got home and got a message from my manager, letting me know that there have been 2 complaints filed on the feedback form. I have access to this and have read both, and they are utter b*llocks. Accusations of the above, of course, but also allegations that I mocked them for being abused, I forced them to actively discriminate against other students, they weren’t given an option not to participate, really vile, UNTRUE things.

I’ve only been at this job for 8 months, and it’s my first job out of uni. I love this job, and I’ve only ever received positive feedback and praise so this has really knocked my confidence. The allegations are plainly untrue, and I’m hoping that my manager will see through that, as they’re both known to be “difficult students”, though of course that doesn’t mean they’re inherently liars (but in this case their recanting of the event is inaccurate). My speciality at work is Equality, Diversity, and Inclusions, so I know that I wasn’t doing any of the things they’ve accused me of, I guess I’m just worried that maybe I’m being unreasonable for being so upset.

I will say, what amused me somewhat (for lack of better word) was that these were white British students who have accused me, a WOC, of racism and discriminatory behaviour.

Huge wall of text, so apologies for that. But AIBU for being concerned about these complaints? Do you think it will negatively affect my appraisals etc to have 2 “strikes” as it were against me for this specific alleged behaviour when I’m the designated expert in ED&I in the workplace?

TIA x

OP posts:
StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 05/05/2023 15:55

TheGreatATuin · 05/05/2023 15:15

Only if you define transphobia as anyone objecting to the bullying and bad behaviour from people insistent on reinforcing gender stereotypes.
At some point, you lot are really going to grow up and actually engage with the debate. The whole crying wolf over "transphobia" doesn't work anymore. Everyone sees through it.

I think the whole trans lobby are pretty bonkers but the quoted post was also a bit hmm tbh.

Are companies really out there on social media proclaiming that they avoid employing applicants who indicate non binary status in their applications? Sounds very unlikely.

Tandora · 05/05/2023 16:21

TheGreatATuin · 05/05/2023 15:15

Only if you define transphobia as anyone objecting to the bullying and bad behaviour from people insistent on reinforcing gender stereotypes.
At some point, you lot are really going to grow up and actually engage with the debate. The whole crying wolf over "transphobia" doesn't work anymore. Everyone sees through it.

At some point you are going to grow up and realise that some people are trans and that’s ok. You don’t get to “debate” someone’s life. Some people are trans. Get. Over. It.

Annnnnnnyway. Back to OP.

Premiumchange · 05/05/2023 16:37

You're mad to post in this much detail here Op - it's identifying and you might consider getting it deleted before it appears in the press.

GCMM · 05/05/2023 16:49

I don't think you have said how old these children are, just that they are at school and not yet in 6th form...
Anyway, I agree with a PP that the key thing is for them (separately, definitely not together) to be made to explain exactly what was racist, ableist, homophobic etc. If they are old enough to make a formal complaint, they are old enough to back it up.

It is not ok to make baseless allegations and they sooner they learn that the better.

I have experience of university students making baseless allegations and have found that when they are asked to back up their claims with detail/ evidence, they can't. It's important for staff not to crumble at the first stage.

shammalammadingdong · 05/05/2023 16:52

Tandora · 05/05/2023 16:21

At some point you are going to grow up and realise that some people are trans and that’s ok. You don’t get to “debate” someone’s life. Some people are trans. Get. Over. It.

Annnnnnnyway. Back to OP.

What has that got to do with anything? We all know trans people exist. There is nothing to get over. BEcause that is not and never has been the point.

I think you know that. You're just spouting your empty phrases.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 05/05/2023 16:55

I hope you have managed to get some clarity from the person hosting their table OP?

ScotOrNot · 05/05/2023 17:00

ScotOrNot · 05/05/2023 06:47

@Dobby123456

FYI

@shammalammadingdong

FYI

Govangirl · 05/05/2023 17:13

Hi everyone, only just in from work so apologies for not responding to anyone before now.

Update from today

Bumped into the students in question in the rush between lessons, who followed me and asked very inappropriate and deliberately inflammatory questions that I didn’t respond to (“why do you hate white people Miss”, “why did you laugh at me being abused Miss” etc). Mercifully another teacher was passing and managed to allow me an escape route but has sort of solidified in my mind what a lot of posters have been saying, that for reasons unknown they’re trying to get a rise out of me. The joy of being an NQT!

Had a scheduled catch up with manager this afternoon, and gave her the factual statement that I drafted this morning in case it was needed. Want to say thanks to all who advised I write one while it was fresh!

She let me know that other teachers have mentioned the incident to her and have defended me without my knowledge, which is really comforting. I did raise the fact that I’m concerned about the mentions of abuse, especially because it was brought up again today, and she has escalated it to the relevant pastoral staff.

Overall feeling much, much better today. Still a lingering sense of worry due to the seriousness of the allegations, but to get confirmation from my manager and other teachers that they aren’t worried has at least somewhat allayed my fears.

Wanted to say a huge, huge thank you to everyone who responded in my time of worry, for being so kind in your reassurances, and also for the constructive comments that I will definitely take onboard moving forward.

Xx

OP posts:
SoTedious · 05/05/2023 17:17

That's great that your colleagues are supportive. You really have done nothing wrong, so don't be deterred by it.

AngryBirdsNoMore · 05/05/2023 17:25

ArseMenagerie · 04/05/2023 23:22

You don’t need to justify yourself here or apologise. Most people understand the absolute entitlement of two white students making up shit against a POC. ‘Are you saying they can’t be discriminated against because they are white’ is just such rubbish - OF COURSE NOT but it’s more than a little ironic that two people who are not from a marginalised community are making these complaints against a woman who is a minority.
they sound like absolute arses OP.

Well said. Threads with black OPs always end up with so many racist micro aggressions.

Your students sound difficult OP. Good luck with your manager and with getting a colleague to write a statement

Teateaandmoretea · 05/05/2023 17:27

The kids are quite clearly being racist in your update post.

Teateaandmoretea · 05/05/2023 17:28

I thought it smacked of racism in the OP if I’m honest too. But that is pretty overt.

Kitkatbar2018 · 05/05/2023 17:31

Keep a log of when these students start picking on you to get a rise etc, making taunts including witnesses as it could be that they are on path of harassing you or gaslight ing you. Really glad that others have your back. Students are people and people can be arseholes. Sounds as they knew and know exactly what they are doing.

SoTedious · 05/05/2023 17:33

You should follow up on that racism - you're very game with "the joys of being an NQT" but you should not have to tolerate that. They need some consequences for that behaviour.

808Kate1 · 05/05/2023 17:39

Glad you're feeling more positive now and also had support from your colleagues. You sound like a great teacher btw!

RichardBarrister · 05/05/2023 18:06

It sounds like you are a lovely teacher who cares about doing a hour job for her students. I think your ‘devils advocate’ sessions are invaluable for the majority of your students and as you said, even the two that complained actually engaged and seemed to enjoy it.

I think for some reason they are targeting you so it is great that you have the support of your manager and colleagues.

As others have said, just make sure you keep records of interactions with these two obviously troubled individuals.

I was unimpressed with the energetic language policing I have seen directed towards you by some on this thread. It sounds like you’re doing a great job for your students and seem extremely sensitive to their needs.

Oblomov23 · 05/05/2023 18:17

"The pair of them sound like professional trouble makers, the sort that belong to the perpetually offended brigade."

Agreed. They sound woke, irritating know it all's. Another teacher had already said they are troublesome, disruptive.

Hope your manager sees this for what it is, and asks them to not attend again.

Gymnopedie · 05/05/2023 18:42

who followed me and asked very inappropriate and deliberately inflammatory questions that I didn’t respond to (“why do you hate white people Miss”, “why did you laugh at me being abused Miss” etc).

I hope you mentioned this encounter in your meeting with your manager.

ArabeIIaScott · 05/05/2023 18:44

OP these kids are clearly fucking at it.

ArabeIIaScott · 05/05/2023 18:44

To use a Humzaism.

ididntknowthat11 · 05/05/2023 18:46

DahliaBlue · 05/05/2023 01:18

Could Dogs are better than cats be a bit racist. In Islam dogs are considered impure and I don't think Islam allows dogs in a house

No.

That's a leap and a half Hmm

OverCCCs · 05/05/2023 18:56

who followed me and asked very inappropriate and deliberately inflammatory questions that I didn’t respond to (“why do you hate white people Miss”, “why did you laugh at me being abused Miss” etc).

Holy hell. Are you in a union and have you spoken with anyone in it about this? I’d be seeing if there’s any action I can take about these students if this progresses any further. They’re risking ruining your reputation with slanderous lies and I’d be open to suing or taking some other form of legal action if possible to really put the fear of god into them.

I’m completely stunned that students are goading a teacher like this. Just absolutely, totally astonished. You do not deserve this at all.

Clymene · 05/05/2023 19:23

I hope they get suspended. Pair of little arseholes.

FurAndFeathers · 05/05/2023 19:31

Govangirl · 05/05/2023 17:13

Hi everyone, only just in from work so apologies for not responding to anyone before now.

Update from today

Bumped into the students in question in the rush between lessons, who followed me and asked very inappropriate and deliberately inflammatory questions that I didn’t respond to (“why do you hate white people Miss”, “why did you laugh at me being abused Miss” etc). Mercifully another teacher was passing and managed to allow me an escape route but has sort of solidified in my mind what a lot of posters have been saying, that for reasons unknown they’re trying to get a rise out of me. The joy of being an NQT!

Had a scheduled catch up with manager this afternoon, and gave her the factual statement that I drafted this morning in case it was needed. Want to say thanks to all who advised I write one while it was fresh!

She let me know that other teachers have mentioned the incident to her and have defended me without my knowledge, which is really comforting. I did raise the fact that I’m concerned about the mentions of abuse, especially because it was brought up again today, and she has escalated it to the relevant pastoral staff.

Overall feeling much, much better today. Still a lingering sense of worry due to the seriousness of the allegations, but to get confirmation from my manager and other teachers that they aren’t worried has at least somewhat allayed my fears.

Wanted to say a huge, huge thank you to everyone who responded in my time of worry, for being so kind in your reassurances, and also for the constructive comments that I will definitely take onboard moving forward.

Xx

Honestly OP, I think you need to discuss their targeting of you as potentially being racially motivated.

thet sound deeply unpleasant. I’m sorry you’re dealing with this.

AngryBirdsNoMore · 05/05/2023 19:51

Govangirl · 05/05/2023 17:13

Hi everyone, only just in from work so apologies for not responding to anyone before now.

Update from today

Bumped into the students in question in the rush between lessons, who followed me and asked very inappropriate and deliberately inflammatory questions that I didn’t respond to (“why do you hate white people Miss”, “why did you laugh at me being abused Miss” etc). Mercifully another teacher was passing and managed to allow me an escape route but has sort of solidified in my mind what a lot of posters have been saying, that for reasons unknown they’re trying to get a rise out of me. The joy of being an NQT!

Had a scheduled catch up with manager this afternoon, and gave her the factual statement that I drafted this morning in case it was needed. Want to say thanks to all who advised I write one while it was fresh!

She let me know that other teachers have mentioned the incident to her and have defended me without my knowledge, which is really comforting. I did raise the fact that I’m concerned about the mentions of abuse, especially because it was brought up again today, and she has escalated it to the relevant pastoral staff.

Overall feeling much, much better today. Still a lingering sense of worry due to the seriousness of the allegations, but to get confirmation from my manager and other teachers that they aren’t worried has at least somewhat allayed my fears.

Wanted to say a huge, huge thank you to everyone who responded in my time of worry, for being so kind in your reassurances, and also for the constructive comments that I will definitely take onboard moving forward.

Xx

They’re racist little shits. Report them to their head of year or the head for racism.