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I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?

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ThreeblackCats · 02/05/2023 19:07

I was a bit pissed to be referred to as a “cis” female and I stood my ground.

I’m not cis, I’m not a terf, I’m a woman, born a woman, lived a woman for 60 years and Michael called me “entitled” so, am I wrong for defending woman from this BS?

I’m sick of being relegated to third place after men and then trans men.

I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?
I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?
I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?
I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?
I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?
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StarryCup · 03/05/2023 17:53

it doesn't make me less of a woman. But I am told that I am apparently now a ciswoman so that a transwoman can be a woman instead of me. So it does affect me. Because someone who is biologically a man get to call themself a woman through choice, and I am expected to step aside to respect their feelings. But my feelings are not respected

Exactly what I was going to say, but probably not as succinctly. So will just repeat it.

StarryCup · 03/05/2023 18:15

I literally have never come across it in RL, only online like here

I hadn't either until fairly recently. I've been aware of the term for a good while, as you say, online. But it's crept in. During a conversation at work with a few women, one of the younger women said to another "You can tell us, we're all cis women here"

It came from nowhere, for no apparent reason. It just went a bit quiet and we looked at her in some surprise (most of us, I expect some didn't even know what it meant) and somebody said "Don't be daft" and then we sort of drifted away.

There has been some mild discussion since but nobody really wants to address it.

Brefugee · 03/05/2023 19:01

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/05/2023 00:01

I don't especially care what is in people's pants, why are you bringing pants into it?

I care that the historic oppression and disempowerment of female people by male has shaped our culture and society. I believe that because of that history of disempowerment , female people must now have a moral right to maintain their own name, history, voice and resources to respond to, mitigate and eventually overcome that historic disadvantage so we may all, both sexes, live empowered lives and meet our potential as human beings.

A gender-noncoforming man who celebrates finding a new way to be a man is a brave and glorious thing. I stand beside anyone, man or woman, who looks beyond the gender roles our society has created to say "no, a woman or man is not a certain type of personality, or a set of behaviours, or a mental aptitude, or a sexual role - a woman is any personality in a female body, and a man is any personality in a male body".

But a gender-nonconforming man who thinks this makes him not a man at all but a woman reduces and limits both himself and women. He is imposing on all women a definition that he wants them to have for his own needs, for what part of himself he sees reflected in them, rather than seeing them for who they are and can be, entire people in their own right.

I do not stand with anyone who thinks the difference between men and women is in how they think, nor with anyone who would silence female voices or deny female people the right to their own history, female-only spaces and resources, or their own political voice.

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Brefugee · 03/05/2023 19:03

Ossification · 03/05/2023 00:44

'Literal violence'?
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Find a dictionary and look up the word literal
And then use it appropriately

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