I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?

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I was a bit pissed to be referred to as a “cis” female and I stood my ground.

I’m not cis, I’m not a terf, I’m a woman, born a woman, lived a woman for 60 years and Michael called me “entitled” so, am I wrong for defending woman from this BS?

I’m sick of being relegated to third place after men and then trans men.

You may be a woman but Michael’s a massive cunt. Nonetheless I recommend you get off social media for the sake of your mental health.

@Daffidale I especially use it when discussing my own lived experience of discrimination and how that is different from the lived experience of discrimination other women have - such as women of colour, LGBTQ+ , working class women etc

Are you saying that women of colour, working class women etc aren't also "cis" women? Because that's how that sounds.

@cadburyegg I don't have a gender identity that I'm aware of. And my sex wasn't assigned at birth.

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It's a pointless word. Woman or transwoman clearly identifies them with a penis, no cis required

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But yes OP really not worth the energy on an idiot like him.

Facts are not entitlement

Quite. There is no such thing as a “cis woman”, there are women (defined as adult human biological females) and transwomen. No woman has a penis. No man has a vagina. No one can change their biological sex.

Truth Will Always Matter.

I'm not cis, I don't subscribe to gender ideology or any other religion.

OP as PPs have said arguing with twats on te Internet is usually a waste of time but good on you for trying. Also sign petitions, write to your MP and Councillor, if you get canvassed tell them how you feel about this.

I'm not cis, I don't subscribe to gender ideology or any other religion.

OP as PPs have said arguing with twats on the Internet is usually a waste of time but good on you for trying. Also sign petitions, write to your MP and Councillor, if you get canvassed tell them how you feel about this.

I shouldn't imagine you will be referred to as 'cis' to your face in the real world. If you do, just a polite 'oh no I prefer people not to use that term in relation to me, thanks' is fine. I'm sure the conversation will move on in a very British way.

As to the rest, as other PP have suggested - just don't engage with the argument online. You are bound to come across the most entrenched and extreme beliefs there. It can't be doing anything for your sense of peace.

what a load of old shit

Thought 'terf' was what I needed for the bald spots in my lawn! Really couldn't care less.

Who made you arbiter of what women are permitted to find insulting?

We all know what is means and many of us reject it. Call yourself what you like but don't assume other people will welcome the rebrand.

Michael clearly isn't the brightest bulb in the string of fairy lights as he doesn't appear aware that there are already male and female categories in most sports.

If I'm doing this at 60 I'll feel like a failure. Go and read a book or something. Arguing on the internet is not good for your soul.

@TheNestedIf

racking of brains until actual women identified themselves as "cis."

I think it was trans extremist zealots who foisted it upon women. Either way, if a group of people say that a word used to describe them is offensive, then it is offensive.

How does adding cis contribute anything to a discussion about discrimination? The groups of women you have identified may all be discriminated against for different reasons in addition to also being female.

I know many people seem to think lived experience trumps all else these days but there are nearly 8 billion lived experiences on earth and it's a tad tricky to make effective policy which also accommodates all that uniqueness.

A transwoman is not entitled to demand I lie so you have not given an example of respect going both ways. Women are asking for nothing more than recognition of reality and transwomen are demanding I lie to protect their feelings, something I would have been happy to do once upon a time but not anymore.

I totally agree. It is offensive. I was trying to point out why it's also redundant.

Agreed!! A bunch of people have made up and bunch of words and then have the audacity to decide that in order for me to authentically identify as an adult human female with a womb I've now got to add CIS - my view is anyone who wants to push this nonsense on me can 'CIS off'

Good for you OP.

Far too many people expect to be able to peddle this nonsense without being challenged.

Gender identity is a social construct that is designed to enable men to publicly engage in a sexual fetish at the expense of women.

There is nothing that's sacred in their pursuit of this. Our language, our spaces, our sports and worst of all our children.

There is nothing remotely progressive about it nor anything remotely kind.

People who believe in this either haven't done their homework or have some stake in enabling men's oppression of women and the harm being done to children for whom medical transition means a loss of sexual function, fertility and a lifetime of medical complications and dependency.

It's an absolute bloody scandal happening in plain sight and yet some people still remain wilfully blind to what's happening because they refuse to look at the reputable evidence.

You may not like the term yourself. If so you are entitled to ask other people not to use it to describe you and to have that request respected. In the same way a trans woman is entitled to ask people to refer to her just as a “woman”. It goes both ways.

No it doesn’t. A trans woman is not a woman. To say otherwise would be a lie so I will not pander to the “entitlement” when a man demands to be called a woman.

Op try not to let it get you down. In the actual real world, pretty much everyone is on the side of biology, rational thought, critical thinking and reality. I have literally never heard anyone refer to me as a cis or a terf! These internet trans activists are imploding as they come to the realisation that the world is awake to their insanity and are not accepting it.

Michael clearly hates women, his goady shite about “who do you expect to pay for it” is presumably because he thinks men pay for everything and have all the power. I understand the points you were making (I don’t identify as anything, I’m female because I am in the same way I don’t need to identify as having a particular eye colour, they’re just the colour they are and I never think about it) but do think you were unnecessarily aggressive. If I were you I’d stay away from forums like that and try not to get riled up by him as he’s probably enjoyed it.

And if you'd spent 2 seconds on google you'd have found that plenty of people consider cis to be a slur.