I’m “entitled” for actually being a woman?

[ThreeblackCats]

I was a bit pissed to be referred to as a “cis” female and I stood my ground.

I’m not cis, I’m not a terf, I’m a woman, born a woman, lived a woman for 60 years and Michael called me “entitled” so, am I wrong for defending woman from this BS?

I’m sick of being relegated to third place after men and then trans men.

If you're going to argue with them, you need a concise point, you need your facts to hand, and you need to force them to stick to the argument you're having and not the merry tangents they try to lead you down.

Facts aren't entitlement. We all know what words mean, and we know what a man is and what a woman is even without those words. If Lia Thomas was standing in a room with 99 women, and someone shouted "Oh, look, it's a bloke", everyone would know exactly who they were talking about, including Lia Thomas. No policing of language necessary. No racking of brains until actual women identified themselves as "cis". That's why "cis" is redundant. Women aren't a type of women, they are women. He can try and twist the English language, but he can't twist perception and he can't twist reality.

You’re completely entitled to your own opinion but I think you came across badly in those posts, throwing insults around and repeating yourself over and over again.

It can be soul destroying arguing with people on the internet, and this is a topic that really divides people so often not worth your energy.

Neither is man, but I bet you wouldn’t want a transwomen to be called one.

OP are you OK with your name being visible in those screenshots?

I will repeat the words of wise MNetters:

Forcing the prefix 'cis' upon women is a hostile takeover of language that amounts to a denial of the existence of natal females. The female sex has been appropriated without consent.

Use of 'cis' is an act of dominance. Addition of the prefix 'cis' to woman allows men to imply that woman is the oppressor class. This is clearly false, but a useful tool for some.

This is the reason why the term 'cis' man is almost never seen. This is also the reason why no woman however reasonable, is allowed to reject the term.

Cis' does not mean 'born as' it means 'on the same side as' and relates to physical location. It is a term that has been misappropriated to apply to anyone who is not transgender. It is used in molecular chemistry and geography and has no relationship with humanity.

Cis is an insult. It’s also made up bollocks, because there’s no such thing as innate gender identity and nobody has one. Good for you for standing your ground. Sick of these entitled males.

Arguing with people like 'Michael Butler' is a waste of your precious time and energy. You're never going to persuade a snug twat like this to respect women, it's a fool's errand. Your efforts would be better spent getting reasonable men and women onboard with the gender critical cause. This fight is exhausting, you need to deploy your emotional resources and strategically.

Why are you spending time and energy arguing with eejits on the Internet!?!?

It's an expression I don't care for either, regardless of how much it might be bandied about and been legitimised.

I'm a woman. You can shove the term 'cis'. Its a made up use of a scientific term by men. Especially ones who think dresses and lipstick entitle them to enter female safe spaces.

I only ever see it being used by biological males on social media. Funny that? Just more misogyny to keep actual women in their place.

You don't come across well in this exchange, though I do understand the anger.

As opposed to anime avatars on Twitter which the TRA zealots hide behind?

I just can't believe that there are still women who don't get this.
We are WOMEN!
Do some reading for god's sake- cis is a fucking insult.

Unreservedly this. There is no need.

I mean, you do sound nuts but I get what you mean!
I've never been particularly girly or feminine. Becoming a woman to me wasn't something I chose to be or something I 'identified' with, it's just who I became when I went through womanhood. I have trans friends and I certainly don't hate trans people but I find it difficult to imagine a male saying they identify with the female experience when none of them have ever experienced it.
It does feel like an attack when someone else decides they want to be a woman so now we need a new term to describe what we are... uuuggh what?! The terms "woman" and "female" have been pretty descriptive for long enough, why do WE need to be referred to as anything different?!

Agree with this!

Well that Michael seems a bit of a twat

you can’t argue with stupid OP…kudos for trying though

Cis- as a prefix is the Latin opposite of trans-, hence its use here. It’s not some woke, newfangled expression.

@travelingtortoise yes, I’m ok with my name being visible. If I wasn’t, I’d have edited my post to hide my name. I have no shame in my post. But genuinely, thank you.

Strange topic tbh, do trans woman have a height advantage. Men are generally taller than women, what is there to discuss?

A transwoman is a man who wishes to "identify" as a woman.

Definition also available on Google, and many dictionaries.

Yet, we're routinely told it's offensive to call these individuals anything other that "women".

However, when a woman objects to being described as a cis woman, she's being unreasonable, unhinged and told it's "not an insult".

I’ve never come across the idea that ”cis” is an insult until I read the MN guidelines . in my circles I and many women I know use it to describe ourselves . I especially use it when discussing my own lived experience of discrimination and how that is different from the lived experience of discrimination other women have - such as women of colour, LGBTQ+ , working class women etc

You may not like the term yourself. If so you are entitled to ask other people not to use it to describe you and to have that request respected. In the same way a trans woman is entitled to ask people to refer to her just as a “woman”. It goes both ways.

but agree with others. that Michael bloke comes across as a right t**t.

I'm aware it's not a new term, but why should I be referred to as a ciswoman?
I don't remember, as a child, being told to watch where I was going so I didn't bump into the ciswoman over there, or to say thank you to the nice ciswoman who served us at the checkout...

@Popcorn121 you seem to have missed the point but hey ho!

Lots of women on here seem to disagree with my argument. We, as women stand no chance if we can’t even get real women on our side.

I’m a woman, I will not respond to anyone who refers to me as cis.

I reject the term cis. Its ridiculous and I find it insulting. Woman is fine.