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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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Boughtitdownthemarket · 30/04/2023 09:28

@rattymol that's just outrageous. I hope I get to see a British Republic in my lifetime. The entitlement of that family is obscene.

Dinobooklover · 30/04/2023 09:29

What a load of bollocks 😂

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 09:30

@vera99
I can see it now !😂

Iltakethat · 30/04/2023 09:31

Wow, he just made all that up for himself?

Surely the ultimate in egotistical CF-ery!!?

SockGoddess · 30/04/2023 09:33

sometimes I think Charles has quite a nice side, he does care about the environment, I like his open-mindedness about different religions and he seems like he can often have a sense of humour. But then he can be so pompous and insensitive. If he understands and cares that some people aren’t christian even though it’s his role to head the church, then surely he can understand that some people don’t support the monarchy and asking this makes the monarchy look ridiculously up itself and needy at a time when it’s under a lot of scrutiny and questioning.

i wouldn’t want anyone to have to recite allegiance, even those in the abbey. It’s just a bad look.

DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 09:35

Well I'd hope all royalty-loving members of the public would do so. Want a monarchy? Then be a subject.

I will probably respond "Up the Republic " but as I'll be down the allotment the effect will be lost.

TheSuperbOwl · 30/04/2023 09:37

"May the King live forever"?? Are we in North Korea?

SmugglersHaunt · 30/04/2023 09:38

Xenia · 30/04/2023 06:42

I think they might have been better just leaving thing as they were for the previous monarch.

I have already been exercised by what I think is called an Oxford comma before the "and" which I really don't think should be there.

That comma has really annoyed me too! It's a no from me, Charlie

Yellowdays · 30/04/2023 09:38

They can fuck off from me too!

malapast · 30/04/2023 09:39

carriedout · 30/04/2023 09:33

Grin at @vera99 's crowdfunding page - but the target would need to be £250 million to cover the security costs
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/king-charles-coronation-bill-tipped-29849381?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

we're all dooomed.......ok never mind cancel the coronation. It will be Coronation Street instead but I'm not pledging allegiance to Ken Barlow.

kethuphouse · 30/04/2023 09:42

TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.

Amen

Xenia · 30/04/2023 09:43

I am a monarchist. I can live with the comma, although it will probably be the tip of a very large iceberg of other things the King will be changing that will be horrible changes. I am not sure I will be making the oath however, despite supporting the monarchy (not least because as a Catholic we were robbed not just of our religion as the state religion in a sense but also of all those lovely old churches which really ought to belong to my church not his........)

I have no problem and love singing the National Anthem and Zadoc the Priest (am a singer, sing every day etc) but swearing an oath is not quite the same as saying Long live the King.

However as they have made clear it is entirely voluntary and very very new., We don't even in our schools have all that awful American stuff of pledging allegiance etc.

MrsFinkelstein · 30/04/2023 09:44

YABU

It's an invitation, not a summons. Say it if you want. If you don't then don't.

Mooda · 30/04/2023 09:44

I think it's a good thing. Might make people think about the utter absurdity of having a monarchy in this day and age. I mean even if you're a royalist are you not going to feel like a forelock-tugging peasant saying this crap? The King already has a better chance than anyone of living forever. Personal doctors, every health need carefully checked and treated, personal chefs preparing the best quality healthy food ... all because of an accident of birth. While the rest of us suffer ever deteriorating health services and decent food becoming unaffordable. What a farce.

Livingtothefull · 30/04/2023 09:46

TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.

This just about covers it.

Iltakethat · 30/04/2023 09:46

vera99 · 30/04/2023 09:33

Can we turn our backs on them .........but thanks god we are not Thailand...

Bloody hell, that's bonkers isn't it?

And the way the Princess really aggressively comes back to the UK reporters to hammer the point home! No interview in 40 years? Wtf?

I must say I didn't even realise Thailand had a King - he definitely needs to be locked in whatever their equivalent of the tower is!

Willmafrockfit · 30/04/2023 09:46

if you are watching it at an open air event, i guess some people might say it,
at home, no i dont think i will

Livingtothefull · 30/04/2023 09:47

Dinobooklover · 30/04/2023 09:29

What a load of bollocks 😂

And this.

LindyLou2020 · 30/04/2023 09:47

Boughtitdownthemarket · 30/04/2023 09:03

Not British but curious to know if there is any official mechanism which could remove the power from the monarchy and make them private citizens. Is it possible to have a referendum like we do in Ireland when a change is being made to the constitution? Surely British people who don't want him, don't have to just put up with it? It seems hugely unfair to me.

@Boughtitdownthemarket

There is a pressure group called Republic which campaigns, (peacefully and eloquently), for the abolition of the Monarchy.
They are not a political party and have no power.
Other than that I don't know of any other mechanism for people to have their say as to whether they want a Royal Family, other than polls which are conducted now and then.

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 09:48

This is the wording from Elizabeth's - will Charles' wording be the same ? Note 'people the Lord has given thee '

This is what a coronation means and why the UK is the only European country to persist with it . Other monarchies either never did it ( wouldn't dare! ) or got rid 100 years ago .

It means we believe and agree that Charles ( ans Camilla by association) is associated with the divine

"Be thy head anointed with holy oil: as kings, priests, and prophets were anointed. And as Solomon was anointed king by Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet, so be you anointed, blessed and consecrated Queen over the Peoples, whom the Lord thy God hath given thee to rule and govern

Hayliebells · 30/04/2023 09:48

I cannot fathom why anyone, supporter of the monarchy or not, would actually say this. I can't imagine everyone in the church saying this, nevermind anyone else. He isn't a god, this isn't a believers Vs believers thing, he's just a man.

ilovesooty · 30/04/2023 09:48

00100001 · 30/04/2023 08:19

Oh, you've seen her will have you? You know what he inherited?

Don't be ridiculous. It's well documented that she owned these things, he inherited them and doesn't pay inheritance tax.

LakieLady · 30/04/2023 09:48

PortiasBiscuit · 30/04/2023 08:29

I actually don’t mind, I’ve never sworn allegiance to anything. I do love my country ( it’s not fashionable to say so, obviously) and he represents my country.
i am at a family BBQ though, so I imagine the coronation will be on the TV but I doubt anyone will be paying much attention!

I love my country too, but the very principle of monarchy goes against everything I believe in. It is undemocratic and epitomises inequality. It's infantilising, too, not letting the people choose who they want to be the head of state. And I think it's absurd that MPs still have to swear allegiance to someone who is unelected and unaccountable.

I don't see any way in which the monarchy represents the people of this country. Their lives are so far removed from those of most of us that they will never have a clue of how much many people have to struggle.

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