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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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derxa · 30/04/2023 14:59

DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 14:45

I have never heard of any country anywhere ousting its monarchy using honey and kind words. Let's just hope firm words and defiance and lack of popular support will do the trick rather than revolution.

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Do you think the labour party would have cancelled the coronation with Sir Keir Starmer in charge? I highly doubt it.

ArianahX · 30/04/2023 14:59

Seriously he didn't pay inheritance tax??

Also I'm not happy with Camilla just being accepted as Queen.

KingSpaniel · 30/04/2023 15:05

@derxa what have the Labour Party got do with it?? Charles initially pretended he was going to have a pared down coronation but then his massive fucking ego took over and he decided the peasants needed fo see just how much power he had to spend as much of our money as possible on pointless twatting around.

Charles should have said no but he just couldn’t do it could he? 🤬

KingSpaniel · 30/04/2023 15:06

@ArianahX not one single penny. They pay tax on a voluntary basis anyway - like most rich people do.

derxa · 30/04/2023 15:07

KingSpaniel · 30/04/2023 15:05

@derxa what have the Labour Party got do with it?? Charles initially pretended he was going to have a pared down coronation but then his massive fucking ego took over and he decided the peasants needed fo see just how much power he had to spend as much of our money as possible on pointless twatting around.

Charles should have said no but he just couldn’t do it could he? 🤬

What peasants? Are you a peasant? Am I? What does it mean?

SerafinasGoose · 30/04/2023 15:10

Hilarious.

However, if this is what they want they should crack on. They are only advertising how anachronistic and unfit for 21-st century purpose their ridiculous institution now is.

And yes, I do 'understand how the [unwritten] constitution works': as far as that's even possible for a reasonably well-read lay person.

SerafinasGoose · 30/04/2023 15:12

I have never heard of any country anywhere ousting its monarchy using honey and kind words. Let's just hope firm words and defiance and lack of popular support will do the trick rather than revolution.

Evolution not revolution is the British way.

I suspect there will be a process gradual changes and the whole thing will fizzle out with a whimper, not a bang.

If the monarchy survives much further than into the middle of this century I'll be surprised.

Redbushteaforme · 30/04/2023 15:29

He is a pompous twit, and has been badly advised on this (or perhaps hasn't listened to sensible advice). I'm not sure if I can even bear watching the coronation - don't want to see Camilla on edge again waiting for him to lose his temper as he did at his official proclamation. (Although they do deserve each other.)

Roll on the end of the monarchy. Time for us all to be citizens, not subjects.

Kendodd · 30/04/2023 15:50

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 13:33

@Whiteroomjoy

, "but we do not ever since the revolution swear alligence to the monarch."

Yes someone up thread mentioned this too
It's a huge change and very badly thought out

I think you do if you're getting British citizenship, don't you?

BadgerB · 30/04/2023 15:54

ohdelay · Today 13:57
He's not the wisest or the strongest or the most virtuous or the bravest or anything really.

No, and he doesn't pretend to be.

Shouldn't it be the other way where he swears allegiance to the nation and vows to put the interests of all its subjects first.

Yes, and he certainly has to take an oath to do that

Havanananana · 30/04/2023 16:02

"but we do not ever since the revolution swear allegiance to the monarch."

Not only do people wanting to get British citizenship have to swear allegiance, but also anyone elected to Parliament. Which means that there are currently seven democratically elected MPs who cannot represent their constituents at Westminster because they refuse to swear an oath of allegiance.

luckylavender · 30/04/2023 16:06

MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

How exactly can it go badly wrong? No one will know either way.

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 16:27

@Havanananana

This the pledge from citizenship :

I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen

Now that is rather different to swearing allegiance to Charles Windsor and all his heirs ( Andrew included) and praying that he may live forever

3dogsandarabbit · 30/04/2023 16:28

Juanne - Do you honestly believe everything you read in the paper? Do you actually think that you have to shout your allegiance to the King whilst sitting at home watching TV?
Really? Come on!

3dogsandarabbit · 30/04/2023 16:30

Novella4 - But you don't have to swear allegiance to King Charles. It really isn't getting through on this thread is it?

User17439876 · 30/04/2023 16:31

3dogsandarabbit · 30/04/2023 16:28

Juanne - Do you honestly believe everything you read in the paper? Do you actually think that you have to shout your allegiance to the King whilst sitting at home watching TV?
Really? Come on!

People stood on their doorsteps, clapped and banged saucepans so anything is possible, they even wanted others to know they did this😂😂

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2023 16:31

YukoandHiro · 30/04/2023 06:47

@Xenia you're right, that's no place for an Oxford comma (which used correctly I'm a big fan of)

It would have got me out of sticky situation on another thread where I talked of "smoked salmon and custard donuts", that's for sure.

3dogsandarabbit · 30/04/2023 16:36

User17439876 - Yes that's true, although I never did that, find that kind of thing embarrassing really, and even though I like having a monarchy I certainly won't be pledging my allegiance.

firef1y · 30/04/2023 16:38

Think they think he's the reincarnation of Henry VIII

Softoprider · 30/04/2023 16:50

And it's a 'No' from me

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 30/04/2023 17:02

My 15 year old DD has told us that her and her friends are going to say "Long live King Sausage Fingers". It might not hit the note he is after

Tarantullah · 30/04/2023 17:17

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 30/04/2023 17:02

My 15 year old DD has told us that her and her friends are going to say "Long live King Sausage Fingers". It might not hit the note he is after

Ah they sound lovely, do they routinely take the mick out of people's appearance?

Kendodd · 30/04/2023 17:28

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 16:27

@Havanananana

This the pledge from citizenship :

I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen

Now that is rather different to swearing allegiance to Charles Windsor and all his heirs ( Andrew included) and praying that he may live forever

You also have to make the Oath or Affirmation

What will happen at the ceremony?
During the ceremony you will have to say either the Oath or the Affirmation of allegiance to His Majesty the King and the Pledge of loyalty to the United Kingdom. This is a formal promise to His Majesty the King and the United Kingdom.

Oath of allegianceI, (name), swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, His Heirs and Successors, according to law.

Or -

Affirmation of allegianceI (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, his Heirs and Successors, according to law