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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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vera99 · 30/04/2023 13:09

Folk kicking off all day on LBC about swearing the allegiance. What mad person in KP thought on top of a hugely expensive jolly, crowning Camilla, concert ticket fiasco that this would be a good thing. They are just trolling us now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/04/2023 13:09

What a load of old bollocks.

crosstalk · 30/04/2023 13:12

@Dguu6u You do understand the difference between vetting and vetoing? HMs effectively "vet" all bills because they are expected to read them before they go to the next stage in the Commons, including any amendments from MPs that the government accepts. Royalty have no power to veto any bill - the last time this was done was over 300 years ago.

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 13:20

@crosstalk
The 'royals' have no interest in changing laws that affect we mere citizens

They do however have laws changed to suit themselves - ie remove themselves from its application
I'm amazed you don't know that
Even laws against racial and sexual discrimination do not apply to the Windsors
1600 times they've done this

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 13:21

vera99 · 30/04/2023 13:09

Folk kicking off all day on LBC about swearing the allegiance. What mad person in KP thought on top of a hugely expensive jolly, crowning Camilla, concert ticket fiasco that this would be a good thing. They are just trolling us now.

Can we have a Republican concert ?

I bet we'd get some cool people

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 30/04/2023 13:23

I would rather take a bath with my toaster than swear allegiance to this vile globalist. This is grotesque!!
And if we don't pledge allegiance are we beheaded and sent to the tower without our tea? Globulist indeed.
I’ll be swearing all right during the coronation
"All praise to the WEF Nazi gang!"

AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?
Whiteroomjoy · 30/04/2023 13:26

I have been a royalist leaning person most of my life. I actually prefer a random person, by act of birth, being the powerless figure head of our nation. Doing the random shit stuff with visiting dignatories. The other option, an elected president, is , imho, fraught with all the power corruption risks that follow presidents around and are political whims . The very people who’d go into presidential election are, imho, the very worst people to actually do that job 🤷🏼‍♀️. At least we have a series of kings and queens of late that appear t be les# than keen on the job and , whilst very very wealthy have very str No resitrictuons on abuses of power.

but, even I’m a tad alarmed by the way charles is miss reading the room. We have worst cost of living crisis in decades, the nation is angry, pissed off, diallusioned with the way the country is run, and Charles wants to splash £millions up the wall on a elitist ceremony . It should have been massively paired back, and he should, at least, have paid a significant contribution to certain aspects of the ceremony itself.

now this edict- no, no, no. Reeks of USA citizens swearing allignece to the flag. Charles and the AoC or whoever has dreamed this up, need to take a long look at what happened to Charles 1. The revolution (ok, we’re british and politely call it a civil war ), firmly set precedent that the powers of the monarch are limited and that we owe nothing as citizens to our monarch. We have but a constitutional monarchy. They do not rule us. Government and parliament rule us (god forbid at the moment 🤦‍♀️🤣). Yes, we can commit treason by killing the monarch, or various other monarchy type offence, but we do not ever since the revolution swear alligence to the monarch. We leave that to the monarch’s cronies (peers) that benefit in their positions of power and the monarch wants their commitment to his position to do that.

I was actually really shocked to read this. If it wasn’t acceptable in the 1950s coronations after a horrible war and general support for monarchy and an empire, why the hell do they think, given what’s going on now, this was ever a remotely acceptable thing to suggest? Sounds like a desperate wokiness idea to get everyone engaged and be energised with the event like a sing-a-long at a concert. Or to prop up an old man’s ego who is concerned about rising anger at this event. Badly Judged by him- but I’ve never thought royals were the sharpest tools in the block.

and it has now actually put me off even tuning in out of vague interest and historic event type reasons.

Whiteroomjoy · 30/04/2023 13:28

TheStolenChild · 30/04/2023 11:29

Still giggling at this.

🤣🤣🤣🤣genius !

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 13:33

@Whiteroomjoy

, "but we do not ever since the revolution swear alligence to the monarch."

Yes someone up thread mentioned this too
It's a huge change and very badly thought out

MistressoftheDarkSide · 30/04/2023 13:33

Ooh, I have a theory.....

(Adjusts tin foil hat)

The exponential growth of AI related technology weaving the way for Charlie to actually live forever in virtual holographic form...... and when it is realised in about 50 years, they can say - Well, you all swore allegiance and asked for it - we can prove it - our tracking and facial recognition technology can pick you out of the crowd and you said you wanted him to live forever.....

I know, I know, it's utterly ridiculous but modern life has become one long Facepalm to me, so I'm utterly past caring 🤣

Greenfairydust · 30/04/2023 13:41

Bad PR move.

They already ushered in Queen Camilla, had to navigate the Harry situation and the backlash about the cost of the event for the tax-payer.

It is very silly to now try add this in as well and will get them even more negative reactions.

Totally inappropriate message to the general public. It just reads like a ''serfs know your place and worship me'' thing and just shows how out of touch they can be.

They need to remember most people tolerate the monarchy because of the tourist attraction/part of our history aspect but the reality is that the monarchy these days has no power and is purely a ''decorative'', entertainment feature in our lives at this stage.

Don't push your luck Charlie...

derxa · 30/04/2023 13:45

As I said on another thread. Having read most of the replies I think I will pledge my allegiance. I'd rather have Charles as HOS than some of you unpleasant people.

DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 13:45

I dunno @Greenfairydust you could see it as a positive: for the first time ever the opinion of the serfs is being garnered. Previously our loyalty was either assumed or not considered necessary.

ehb102 · 30/04/2023 13:48

Fascist vibes. It is not enough to be loyal, you must show you are loyal and be seen to be loyal in the right way.

ohdelay · 30/04/2023 13:57

I think the idea of "better than" by birth rather than accomplishment is my personal main issue with all of this. Swear allegiance to a person and their successors whoever/whatever they might be. It's weird. He's not the wisest or the strongest or the most virtuous or the bravest or anything really. Shouldn't it be the other way where he swears allegiance to the nation and vows to put the interests of all its subjects first. It's the elevation of a person for no reason that is baffling to my not so modern (47years old) mind.

Dguu6u · 30/04/2023 13:59

crosstalk · 30/04/2023 13:12

@Dguu6u You do understand the difference between vetting and vetoing? HMs effectively "vet" all bills because they are expected to read them before they go to the next stage in the Commons, including any amendments from MPs that the government accepts. Royalty have no power to veto any bill - the last time this was done was over 300 years ago.

It's an informal veto. Queen/king says 'change this' and it gets changed. It never gets to the veto stage because they have the power to do anything they want to any bill - without any democratic oversight.

MidlifeWhatNow · 30/04/2023 14:07

derxa · 30/04/2023 13:45

As I said on another thread. Having read most of the replies I think I will pledge my allegiance. I'd rather have Charles as HOS than some of you unpleasant people.

😂😂😂

Yeah, you stick it to those nasty republicans @derxa, that'll show 'em.

ClaraThePigeon · 30/04/2023 14:22

As I said on another thread. Having read most of the replies I think I will pledge my allegiance. I'd rather have Charles as HOS than some of you unpleasant people.

Well that's my day officially ruined.

derxa · 30/04/2023 14:24

MidlifeWhatNow · 30/04/2023 14:07

😂😂😂

Yeah, you stick it to those nasty republicans @derxa, that'll show 'em.

I know 😂But why are you all so nasty and sneering? You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

kingtamponthefurred · 30/04/2023 14:37

JeannieAlogy · 30/04/2023 09:53

If ever there was a need for a "like" button, this would be the perfect place for it.

One didn't fall out of anyone's vagina. One was born by Caesarean section just like, er, Caesar (and that is where the resemblance ends).

Juanne · 30/04/2023 14:42

I thought I’d read somewhere that we had to shout it out to our TV sets too 🤔 It’s just some Rsole trying to make him look popular.

DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 14:45

derxa · 30/04/2023 14:24

I know 😂But why are you all so nasty and sneering? You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I have never heard of any country anywhere ousting its monarchy using honey and kind words. Let's just hope firm words and defiance and lack of popular support will do the trick rather than revolution.

derxa · 30/04/2023 14:51

DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 14:45

I have never heard of any country anywhere ousting its monarchy using honey and kind words. Let's just hope firm words and defiance and lack of popular support will do the trick rather than revolution.

The honey should be used on me because I don't respect the opinions of people using insults to persuade.

keffie12 · 30/04/2023 14:54

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 13:21

Can we have a Republican concert ?

I bet we'd get some cool people

Yes, we can have a republican concert and invite all the people who turned down the chance to play at Charles ConANation, of which there was a lot, to the republican one 😄

I think about 44 bands and solo artists turned it down. Some with expletives. Most were very well-known household names who turned it down. I did have the list. If I can find it, I'll post it up