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Believing in ghosts

293 replies

StupidFaces · 24/04/2023 08:34

I used to, now I think it’s ridiculous. People have been trying to prove the existence of ghosts for over 150 years and yet not one scrap of credible evidence to suggest they exist. I wish they did, I’d love it to be real but it just doesn’t make sense for them to exist does it?

Surely if ghosts were real, abattoirs would be haunted to fuck by the ghosts of dead cows? How come nobody ever sees a ghost dressed in trackies and Nike trainers? Why are they only ever dressed in Victorian/medieval clothes etc?

Do people think ghosts of fish haunt the ocean?

For those that do believe … what do you think about the above scenarios?

For those that done believe … would you be happy to spend a night alone in a supposedly haunted castle?

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Shropshirepie · 24/04/2023 22:14

It sounds crazy and the rational part of me says it can’t be so, but I have heard and seen things that I can’t explain. And they relate to something I found out about later but had no idea about at the time.

Blondey2023 · 24/04/2023 22:15

jaundicedoutlook · 24/04/2023 17:43

Does that mean that if I die before I submit my tax return I’m going to haunt the offices of HMRC forever…?

@jaundicedoutlook snort 😂

Mamai90 · 24/04/2023 22:19

PollyAmour · 24/04/2023 19:12

I once nursed an elderly lady who was receiving end of life care and she told me Joe, her husband, was waiting for her. She could see him in the room.
Probably morphine induced delusions but she died very peacefully.

When we visited my great uncle in hospital when he was very ill he said 'My mammy was here last night' he said he felt her presence and then she sat on the bed with him. He was almost blind but he said he could see her clearly but when be reached out to touch her and she disappeared. He then turned to us and said 'it's time'. He died that afternoon.

Regardless of what he did or didn't actually see we were quite moved and reassured that he died peacefully believing his Mammy who had brought him to the world in would bring him out. He wasn't the type to believe in ghosts but I hope I leave this mortal coil believing the same thing.

GraysPapaya · 24/04/2023 22:20

I can’t help but think, if they were real why has no one ever caught one on camera? I want to be open minded but I think most things can be explained

Enfys1982 · 24/04/2023 22:31

I’ve seen a few things. I saw my old dog around the house lots of times for ages after he died. He was a cross breed and had a distinctive coat and bushy tail. I would only ever see him out of the corner of my eye, he’d randomly walk across the kitchen or I’d see him sitting on the step and then I’d look up and he’d be gone. My mum saw his tail wagging in the garden as well. I saw my grandmother looking at me through the window just hours after she died, she look about twenty years younger, like she did when I was a child.

None of this was scary. I can’t explain any of it.

Fairislefandango · 24/04/2023 22:31

I don't believe, never have, and yes I'd happily stay the night in a supposedly haunted castle. I don't believe in any kind of woo stuff or deities.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 24/04/2023 22:34

MaryHoldTheCandleSteadyWhileIShaveTheChickensLeg · 24/04/2023 18:53

I work in an ancient manor house that's almost 800 years old.

There's no such thing as ghosts, but oh boy do people like to think so.

And they're always the sort who think they're 'special' in some way. Standing there shaking and shivering like a muppet, while the 'spirits appear to them' 🙄🙄

Or perhaps its just that you can't see them?

Daisybuttercup12345 · 24/04/2023 22:38

SunnySaturdayMorning · 24/04/2023 19:16

Of course it’s a load of bullshit and I heavily question the mental health of anyone who “believes”.

Oh Wise and Perfect person who knows absolutely everything and nothing.

Dithyramb · 24/04/2023 22:42

Ghost stories are interesting in terms of what they say about a particular culture’s worldview, but the sort of thing you get on Mn ‘woo’ threads is typically a mixture of superstition, gullibility, suggestibility, wishful thinking and coincidence. If you take out the stuff that posters heard about from somebody else (who is always extremely practical and sceptical), stuff that happened in childhood, stuff that happened when the poster was in bed, dozing or abruptly awakened, or in poor light, or stuff that happened when the poster was somewhere unfamiliar they considered ‘spooky’, and coincidence, there’s not exactly a lot left.

Fairislefandango · 24/04/2023 22:43

Oh Wise and Perfect person who knows absolutely everything and nothing.

How do you choose which totally unsubstantiated things you do believe in and which you don't? Dragons? Unicorns? Pixies? Gods? You really don't need to be 'wise and perfect' to think it's silly to believe in something for which there is no evidence.

Dithyramb · 24/04/2023 22:43

Daisybuttercup12345 · 24/04/2023 22:38

Oh Wise and Perfect person who knows absolutely everything and nothing.

Produce any credible evidence, and I’m sure @SunnySaturdayMorning will consider it. I certainly would.

GettingStuffed · 24/04/2023 22:46

I've seen a ghost at Longleat there was a patch of mist on the lawn and inside it was a woman in period dress.

My husband saw an old lady walking down the road towards him, then she vanished.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 24/04/2023 22:48

Depends what the definition of Ghost is. Actual manifestations of the long or recently dead? No I don’t believe that. Something like String Theory and Parallel Universes where there is a crossover of images of beings- human or animal- , hmm, maybe.

Anyotherdude · 24/04/2023 22:49

I would like to agree with you OP, but the number of accounts of pets sensing something “eerie” makes me think that we either choose to or choose not to follow instincts - maybe because we have become so certain of our place in the world that we arrogantly assume we are always right.
Having recently become a first-time dog owner, I would definitely trust my dog’s instincts over mine - even if that meant removing myself from a situation that I would logically not think was threatening…

malificent7 · 24/04/2023 22:51

I lived in a haunted house once...central Liverpool...an old warehouse had been. converted to flats. Rent was dirt cheap.

I looked around and you could cut the atmosphere with a knife..it was electric...but not threatening. Better than living flatmates I thought!

The first week I invited a friend round and she said it was haunted straight away.

8 months later someone at work asked me where I lived. When I told them, they said immediately " our colleague xxxxx used to live there. It's haunted...she saw a man walk through a wall."

The hairs on my neck stood up. I never saw anything but there was an electric energy. Hard to explain really.

I have a 1st in a science so am normally very logical but there is unexplained.

ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:51

@Dithyramb you forgot to wheel out the statement that, do you know, there is a prize of a gazillion gazillion quid for the person who proves in a laboratory that ghosts/telepathy/ state your woo poison, is real. Don't worry, I've helped you out :)

Dithyramb · 24/04/2023 22:53

ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:51

@Dithyramb you forgot to wheel out the statement that, do you know, there is a prize of a gazillion gazillion quid for the person who proves in a laboratory that ghosts/telepathy/ state your woo poison, is real. Don't worry, I've helped you out :)

I think the James Randi prize stopped being offered years ago, actually.

Craftycorvid · 24/04/2023 22:56

Have seen what may have been a ghost wearing trackie bottoms. Thought nothing of it until I realised no person could have walked away via the route the person I saw took.

ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:56

@dithyramb lol 😆

It's a shame you guys can't trot that out anymore!

UnctuousUnicorns · 24/04/2023 22:56

"do you know, there is a prize of a gazillion gazillion quid for the person who proves in a laboratory that ghosts/telepathy/ state your woo poison, is real."

😅 If I had a quid for every time that chestnut's been trotted out, I'd be close to being a millionaire, paranormal activity or not.

TheFormidableMrsC · 24/04/2023 22:57

I can't explain it but I've had several experiences, I am sure there is a lot we don't know or may never discover until we're dead but I saw one in a flat I was staying in, businesslike, in a suit. He also saw me and looked utterly confused and then disappeared. When my brother and I were children we saw two people you could see right through in Regents Park in London. We were having a picnic with my Nan and they were sat nearby. They were what I would describe as Hippies, she had flowers in her hair and a floral dress, he was shirtless but tattooed. We could see them but Nan couldn't and thought we were winding her up. Then they just wandered off and disappeared. Time slip possibly? I don't know. However, I am certain my experiences have been real.

Dithyramb · 24/04/2023 23:05

ConkerBonkers · 24/04/2023 22:56

@dithyramb lol 😆

It's a shame you guys can't trot that out anymore!

You seem very invested in skeptics’ phraseology. Aren’t you the ones ‘wheeling out’ the usual dimwit misinterpretations of the same Hamlet line, and ‘trotting’ out the same old guff about there being something spooky about your cousin’s house, and the lights flickered and the dog acted funny, and, guess what - it turned out someone died there!

Someone will no doubt be along in a minute to mention the Savernake Forest story in hushed tones, because it’s totally true, because it is on the internet.

MidlandCatGirl · 24/04/2023 23:28

In response to CorsicaDreaming I’ll relate one of the most bizarre and bloody scary occurrences that’s ever happened to me.

It’s a long one so buckle up and yes, I know it sounds far fetched but I absolutely swear this really happened and it freaked me the heck out.

This happened a number of years ago, I was living in my great grandparents house in East London. My Great Grandfather had passed away many years prior and my Great Grandmother was now living in sheltered accommodation however she’d recently had a mild stroke and was currently in hospital. She couldn’t yet speak properly (very slurred and difficult to make out what she was saying) but the doctors thought she’d be ok, just waiting on an assessment.

So, it’s Sunday. I’m home alone doing the housework and I’m now upstairs cleaning the insanely small bathroom. So small infact I’m almost arse out the door cleaning the bath. I step back onto the landing, still bent in half from bath scrubbing and to my left I see a pair of men’s trouser legs and polished black shoes. Instantly I freeze but my mind is running 1000 miles an hour - did someone get in? No, I’d have heard the front door or the back door, both of which were locked plus I’d not heard footsteps on the stairs, broken glass, door being forced etc.

I slowly begin stand and turn to my left and I see a young man, I’d say mid-30’s, dark Brylcremed (?) hair, grinning widely at me, slightly bent at the waist and extending his left hand to me for me to accept. He must then realise something is wrong as his face changes to a look of alarm and he suddenly fades away.

I gallop downstairs and oddly, even though my Mum lives a short walk away, I stay in the house. Yeah, I don’t understand me either.

The evening progresses, it’s now around 7pm and it’s getting dark. Alarmingly there are now footsteps pacing at the top of the stairs. These are agitated, they take a few steps down the staircase, pause, go back up and commence pacing. Gradually they begin to take more steps down the stairs but always return to the landing. I’m frozen - I can’t see the stairs as the spindles have been panelled in but I know something is moving up there - this is not neighbour noise echoing through the walls. I’m now too scared to leave the house via the front door as I would need to walk past the stairs to get to the door and the back door just leads to the garden surrounded by 6ft fences.

I had two cats at the time. The smallest went wide-eyed, ran to the kitchen and practically threw herself through the cat flap. Her bigger sister however decided to investigate despite me trying to prevent her. She did that full down cat slink move, flat body flat ears stealth crawl and went up the stairs. To the right of the bathroom was a closed bedroom door and it was here the commotion started - my cat was now yowling and hissing at something, followed by clearly launching herself at something she could see as I could hear her paws and claws hitting the door. With a sudden loud yowl she came hurtling down the stairs, ran into the living room and hid under a bookcase - not moving for several hours. She was absolutely petrified. The footsteps on the landing however now stopped.

How on earth I went up to bed that night I don’t know, but bizarrely I did. Next day (Monday) the house felt heavy and oppressive when it usually felt bright. This happened Tue, Wed and Thursday mornings. On Friday I got up dreading the moment I’d step onto the landing and have the oppressive feeling hit me but it didn’t - the hallway was bright and felt light.

I got ready and went to work. As soon as I came out of the underground station my phone buzzed - it was my Mum, she’d been calling me trying to tell me that my Great Gran had taken a turn for the worse and we should all go to the hospital as it was likely she didn’t have much time left. It was now 08:30.

I rush to the hospital. It’s now around 10am and the curtain is pulled round Great Grans hospital bed. My Mum asks the head nurse if she can go in to see her Gran. The nurse exclaims “It might be distressing for you - she’s beginning to turn blue”. We’re like “I’m sorry what? How the hell can she be turning blue?”. Transpires she died shortly before 6am which is just before I got up for work yet someone at the hospital rang 8am telling us she was alive but nearing the end.

We’re standing there stunned, not knowing what to do when an elderly lady in the bed opposite my Great Grans calls out to us asking who we are, so we tell her. She then says “So who’s Ernie?” “Oh, that’s her husband but he died 8 years ago”. This little old lady then says that my Great Gran on the Sunday night started chatting quite clearly to her husband and then suddenly got distressed crying out “No Ernie, no, don’t go, don’t leave me, come back!”.

I froze as I realised that the man who reached a hand out to me on the Sunday evening was infact my Great Grandfather who must’ve come to ‘collect’ his poorly wife.

I have no sensible explanation for this, it’s not as if it was one simple thing that could be explained away - I mean even my two cats reacted to it and even now typing it out brings me out in goosebumps and makes my stomach do an odd shuddering gripping sensation. Truly the most alarming thing I’d ever experienced in that house.

SylvieB74 · 24/04/2023 23:30

I’ve got 3 kids and two of them have mentioned seeing people who aren’t here any more but they hadn’t been told that, they were both 3 at the time. The other one used to wave and chat to someone who wasnt there

RunningUpThatMill · 24/04/2023 23:41

I don't know. I've never felt anything, but, I was quite dumbfounded one day when my 3 year old niece, who was sat on my lap, popped her hand to my ear and said 'Nan came to see me last night'. Her nan was my mum. I asked her if she'd seen nan any other time and she nodded and said 'She comes to see me every night'. She was 2 when my mum died. How can a 3 year old child be encouraged in such a way to suggest this?

I was 21 when my mum died. I was with her. In her final moments she thought her mum was there. In my final moments, I hope she is there.

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