That most people don't realise quite how awful the impact of overturning Roe v Wade is in the US?

[Echobelly]

Obviously, most people know that forced birth in itself is an awful thing, but the more I learn about effects, the more horrifying it is. On top of the individual impact there is:

• A lot of anti abortion states also put miscarriages under investigation with the possibility of prosecution https://www.npr.org/2022/07/03/1109015302/abortion-prosecuting-pregnancy-loss
• This means this Ob-Gyns are walking out of forced birth states as they are open to prosecution if anything goes wrong with a pregnancy, and if remaining are reluctant to be involved at all in the first 12 weeks (and mums are reluctant to get care in case they miscarry and are prosecuted), and so there is less cover for any births, endangering all mums https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/07/health/maternity-units-closing/index.html
• Doctors can't provide care to mothers who are experiencing pregnancy complications that are endangering her life, or are forced to wait until the mother is guaranteed to die imminently if they don't intervene https://www.ft.com/content/68dd2cc2-828d-4d00-8ccf-176dbb56d25f
• Adoption and fostering agencies are already overwhelmed
• Most children in US are taking into care for neglect which often translates as 'poor parents' (especially if black or indigenous) - so if a mum is forced to give birth even though she can't afford a child/another child, there is a strong chance she'll have the child taken from her later https://twitter.com/womensmediacntr/status/1649414182998089732

And it goes on...

Actually ignore my steathing comment

its more that they don’t want to wear a condom

No problem at all, completely my fault 😀

i just expect everyone to know what I mean

My boy (i have two but one is in no danger of impregnating a woman) has been told eleventy billion times that if he doesn’t want a baby he should always wear a condom

@RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer

I've told mine if he doesn't use a condom his willy will fall off

😀

mine is a bit of a tease…he said ‘I’ll wear 2 condoms’ i was 😳 he is permanently on a wind up

he actually coaches 6/7 year old football and apparently its quite put him off having children

@GeoffGiraffe I'm so sorry you had to go through that. What a horrendous experience. There is no way you should have had to have an inquest in that scenario. I hope you have managed to find healing since this

@RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer

Yeah I made mine babysit his wee cousins

That does the trick lol

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/06/1168399423/a-good-friday-funeral-in-texas-baby-halos-parents-had-few-choices-in-post-roe-te

😀

Did anyone see the recent panorama on crisis pregnancy centres? These American anti-choice groups are trying to slowly get their claws in the UK.

before andor i would have thought that it wouldn’t happen in the uk

following sleephygiene post I’m not sure of that at all

It makes it pretty clear where his priorities lie.

They actually can’t though, because it’s decided by the Supreme Court which is overloaded with mega-conservative Republican justices- three of whom were put there by Trump whose election campaign was funded in no small part by donations from pro life lobby groups- who have their place on the court until they resign or die.

That’s why I’m pissed off with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. For all the amazing things she did for women, it was pure hubris that stopped her stepping down from her place at a time when Barack Obama could have nominated a replacement and kept the court balanced. But she stayed, and then died when Trump was in the White House.

I’m fucked off with the Democrats in general because instead of enshrining Roe V Wade in law in a robust, indestructible way, they preferred to keep it fragile and use it as a vote-baiting carrot to dangle -“vote for us, or those nasty Republicans will overturn Roe V Wade!!”. And then that was exactly what happened.

To be honest, it’s for the Americans to sort out : we have enough problems of our own.

But ectopic pregnancy is not included. All states that currently ban abortion do not classify the medical procedure to remove an ectopic pregnancy as an abortion. It’s a myth spun by certain groups that having surgery or methotrexate for an ectopic is illegal.

But that’s the whole point of the Supreme Court overturning it! Instead of a bunch of middle-aged wealthy lawyers (some male ones too) making the decision that affects millions, each state (I.e the voters in that state - including me) will decide for themselves. Our state already permits abortion up to a much later stage than European countries do, and without needing a doctor yo agree to it. You want an abortion, you can have one. No questions asked. I live very close to the border with the next state where abortion is perfectly legal for the whole pregnancy.

All states that currently ban abortion do not classify the medical procedure to remove an ectopic pregnancy as an abortion. It’s a myth spun by certain groups that having surgery or methotrexate for an ectopic is illegal.

Oh that's alright then. Maybe the woman will just nearly die from and be made infertile by sepsis instead.

That does sound a bit "I'm all right Jack". Would you be as sanguine about it if you lived in a state where the vote was against allowing abortion, you desperately needed one but had no hope in hell of travelling to a state that allows it?

There is a bit of a difference between a 16 year old and a 12 year old.

You cannot get out of a rape charge by marrying your victim in the UK.

But that is a different although related topic.

@GobbieMaggie - yes it is mostly the States' problem, but as I said earlier, although it's unlikely to happen here in my opinion, it's not impossible and we should be vigilant, especially if the tories get in again. There are wealthy right-wing extremist Christian groups who are keen to get a foothold and if a weak and wobbly Tory gov is returned, they won't be averse to pushing unpopular and extreme policies, especially if funded by certain parties who want them to make it happen. A bit tinfoil hat, I know, but we need to be alert to the possibility.

They do that everywhere, but it is not to give the baby a chance of life, it's the other way around. Your chances of being resuscitated go down massively when you're pregnant. If they don't succeed in bringing you back in 4 minutes, getting the baby out is your only chance of surviving, regardless whether the baby survives or not. It's called a perimortem cesarean section. Midwife here.

@aurynne Thanks for the correstion.

Correction even.

Well as long as it can't negatively impact you...

Waters broke at 16 weeks, got to hemmorage her miscarriage in the toilets at hairdressers, Florida. Nurse offered to pray for her. Nice. Not.