Page 22 | I don't believe we've been to the moon and SpaceXs failure further convinces me.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 2023-04-20T16:30:35+00:00

I know I've posted this before and the majority of you think I'm batty, but I don't think we've landed on the moon. 3 billion USD, a giant leap in technological advances and yet it can't even launch.

Mamanyt · 22/04/2023 02:52

It was not a NASA ship. It was an Elon Musk ship, which probably explains it.

Now, this is the plain truth of going to the moon...we did not, at that time, have the technology in video to fake the moon shots. It did not exist. I know it sounds odd that we could even attempt to send a man to the moon, but could not have faked the video of it, but, there you have it. And I now, looking back, realize how incredibly dangerous that trip was. We could easily have faked the still shots, but NOT the actual video.

notimagain · 22/04/2023 07:25

ImustLearn2Cook · 22/04/2023 00:27

Ok then. Why don’t you let NASA know just easy it is then?

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Proper Propulsion
The farther into space a vehicle ventures, the more capable its propulsion systems need to be to maintain its course on the journey with precision and ensure its crew can get home.
Orion has a highly capable service module that serves as the powerhouse for the spacecraft, providing propulsion capabilities that enable Orion to go around the Moon and back on its exploration missions. The service module has 33 engines of various sizes. The main engine will provide major in-space maneuvering capabilities throughout the mission, including inserting Orion into lunar orbit and also firing powerfully enough to get out of the Moon’s orbit to return to Earth. The other 32 engines are used to steer and control Orion on orbit.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/top-five-technologies-needed-for-a-spacecraft-to-survive-deep-space

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I didn't say it was easy,

OTOH some posters are saying/implying/mistaken in thinking that because the Moon is (roughly) a thousand times further away from the Earth than the ISS then it's a thousand times harder/difficult (on some arbitrary scale of their choice) to get to the Moon than it is to get to the ISS...

That's completely wrong and is perhaps an example of where even a basic knowledge of the Physics, especially knowledge of the laws of gravity and the concept of escape velocity are more use than simply "common sense" combined with "critical thinking".

FWIW the rough numbers I gave on velocities (orbital and escape) still stand, I'm sure NASA don't need my help on that.

The C&P you provided is interesting, but not really relevant to how Orion accelerates from orbital velocity to escape velocity. The energy for that is provided by the Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage, part of SLS, which does a similar job to that performed by the Saturn V S-IVB stage which sent Apollo to the Moon.

The Orion service module propulsion system comes into play after the IPS is dumped.

Hope that helps.

saffy2 · 22/04/2023 07:59

Tarantullah · 20/04/2023 17:48

It's strange the US hasn't landed on the moon since, thought they'd have built a Mc Donald's and some sort of space military base by now. It was an incredible feat especially given the general capabilites of technology then, I do also find it strange but wouldn't say I don't believe it happened, I'm just open minded about it.

I mean, the US have landed on the moon 5 times. Could be more by now…
why do people think they only went once? 🤔

saffy2 · 22/04/2023 08:04

Lauz841 · 20/04/2023 18:26

I understand what you're saying and I've thought about this a few times. Im not saying that i dont believe it happened, but just that i have an open mind about it. The moon landing was in 69, and I just find it very difficult to think of a solid, valid reason why we (as a species) have never done it again. I can obviously think of many reasons, but with the huge advances in technology I really would have thought someone would have succeeded since the 60's.

Are you aware that since 1969 they did do it again 4 more times…

saffy2 · 22/04/2023 08:24

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 20/04/2023 21:10

Weird you ask this as my sister and I had this conversation today. I feel the same as how come if we got to the moon in 1969 they haven't done it since with all the money and new technology.

Cracking up at all the people commenting who haven’t even googled.
we have landed on the moon at least 5 times…

MaryBeardsShoes · 22/04/2023 08:57

I think we need to leave the moon alone. We’ve already wrecked one planet. Poor The Moon. Doesn’t know what’s coming.

SerendipityJane · 22/04/2023 09:03

This thread is the reason we have words like idiot. numpty and worse in all languages. It's also not a great advert to encourage young people - especially girls - into STEM subjects which we so desperately need.

It will however ensure that internet scammers will continue to target the UK. Clearly rich pickings here.

BMW6 · 22/04/2023 09:07

There were 6 successful lunar landings in total.

12 men have walked on the moon.

SwedishEdith · 22/04/2023 10:59

Whilst I still don't believe (honeslty it is akin to God for me, completely and utterly unbelievable) thank you for posting an alternative view point

Not sure I follow the logic here. Not "believing" in the moon landings is the same as belief in God. There is evidence of the moon landings and no evidence of God. The counter views to both of these require "belief".

Anactor · 22/04/2023 11:44

SwedishEdith · 22/04/2023 10:59

Whilst I still don't believe (honeslty it is akin to God for me, completely and utterly unbelievable) thank you for posting an alternative view point

Not sure I follow the logic here. Not "believing" in the moon landings is the same as belief in God. There is evidence of the moon landings and no evidence of God. The counter views to both of these require "belief".

Actually, I’m recognising a lot of the same kind of ‘my mind is made up, please don’t confuse me with evidence’ that I get when I chat online to dedicated atheists. Same vibe of presenting people with evidence (lots of evidence) and them finding various reasons to reject it.

The poster’s ‘I don’t believe it, so the evidence must be fake’ sounds very familiar.

There is evidence for the Moon Landings and if accepted, the evidence proves the Moon Landings happened. There is evidence for God and if accepted - it’s not enough to prove God exists.

If you like, the Moon Landings are proven facts of history, God is a theory with supporting evidence. That’s where ‘faith’ comes in - faith is when we believe in things without sufficient evidence to prove them beyond a doubt.

threatmatrix · 22/04/2023 12:16

Totally agree.

AliceOlive · 22/04/2023 12:27

SerendipityJane · 22/04/2023 09:03

This thread is the reason we have words like idiot. numpty and worse in all languages. It's also not a great advert to encourage young people - especially girls - into STEM subjects which we so desperately need.

It will however ensure that internet scammers will continue to target the UK. Clearly rich pickings here.

I don’t even know anyone personally that’s been scammed. Is it really that common?

Also, there are tons of brilliant and knowledgeable women posting in the thread. I have been impressed actually.

AliceOlive · 22/04/2023 12:29

saffy2 · 22/04/2023 08:24

Cracking up at all the people commenting who haven’t even googled.
we have landed on the moon at least 5 times…

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I think they mean, since the last time it was done. Which was quite a long time ago.

I think the answer is that there has been no support in the US for spending the $ to do it. And that we met our goal at the time of showing our might to the Russians.

AliceOlive · 22/04/2023 12:30

MaryBeardsShoes · 22/04/2023 08:57

I think we need to leave the moon alone. We’ve already wrecked one planet. Poor The Moon. Doesn’t know what’s coming.

Poor The Moon 🌝
🤣 not funny, but so funny the way you stated it.

SoupDragon · 22/04/2023 12:32

woketwatism · 21/04/2023 23:25

Of course it’s fake - look at the footage , it’s so obvious.
While you’re at it look at the videos of 9/11 - there were no planes, cgi. People took videos with recorders the explosions came from inside. Eye witnesses said no planes , explosions from inside.

climate change - we have less co2 than we had millions of years ago. If it gets lower plant life will die.

As for the gene therapy https://www.theflstandard.com/top-insurance-analyst-600-000-americans-per-year-are-dying-from-covid-shots/

switch off your TVs. I wear my tinfoil hat proudly

😂😂😂

oh dear (imaginary) god...

notimagain · 22/04/2023 13:30

If anybody fancies getting a bit deeper into this topic than Google may I recommend some old technology 😉in the form of a book.

This one is recognised as one of the best at explaining in detail the politics, economics and engineering behind Apollo:

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/282086

Eightypercent · 22/04/2023 13:40

I work in engineering. Many engineers, while we admire the Moon landings, are also a bit disparaging. In engineering terms building a big old, use once and throw it away, rocket that only has to do a few hundred thousand km is piss easy. My last car did a similar mileage.

Building a million phones with an incredibly low six sigma failure rate is actually far more challenging.

What SpaceX are attempting is really really impressive.

GasPanic · 22/04/2023 13:59

Eightypercent · 22/04/2023 13:40

I work in engineering. Many engineers, while we admire the Moon landings, are also a bit disparaging. In engineering terms building a big old, use once and throw it away, rocket that only has to do a few hundred thousand km is piss easy. My last car did a similar mileage.

Building a million phones with an incredibly low six sigma failure rate is actually far more challenging.

What SpaceX are attempting is really really impressive.

I don't know about that. Remember they did it with none of the modern design tools we have these days and no robots for assembly.

I design products and what tends to kill you are the connections. The fewer connections you have, the more reliability you have. Ideally you just want everything on one IC to get the highest level of reliability. That's much easier these days because you can stick the entire system on a single chip rather than multiple ICs across multiple PCBs.

On the James May program they showed a Saturn V with 6 million components and said that they expected 6000 components to fail on a good launch. You can find the bit where they discuss it on youtube.

Of course, they came up with that massive fake rocket all the pipework connections etc to dump in a Houston museum just to perpetrate the myth !

To be honest I am in awe of those old designers. Spacecraft like Voyager have continued to work in deep space since 1977. That's 45 years in a very inhospitable environment.

How Did The Saturn 5 Rocket Work? | James May: On The Moon | Earth Lab

James May meets Harrison Schmitt, one of the last men to ride Saturn 5 and learns a bit about the science behind a rocket with six million components. Subscr...

https://youtu.be/nnyqs3ytOOY

Wallaw · 22/04/2023 14:06

woketwatism · 21/04/2023 23:25

Of course it’s fake - look at the footage , it’s so obvious.
While you’re at it look at the videos of 9/11 - there were no planes, cgi. People took videos with recorders the explosions came from inside. Eye witnesses said no planes , explosions from inside.

climate change - we have less co2 than we had millions of years ago. If it gets lower plant life will die.

As for the gene therapy https://www.theflstandard.com/top-insurance-analyst-600-000-americans-per-year-are-dying-from-covid-shots/

switch off your TVs. I wear my tinfoil hat proudly

I was living in Tribeca at the time. I can assure you, there were fucking planes.

Moron.

SerendipityJane · 22/04/2023 14:16

Eightypercent · 22/04/2023 13:40

I work in engineering. Many engineers, while we admire the Moon landings, are also a bit disparaging. In engineering terms building a big old, use once and throw it away, rocket that only has to do a few hundred thousand km is piss easy. My last car did a similar mileage.

Building a million phones with an incredibly low six sigma failure rate is actually far more challenging.

What SpaceX are attempting is really really impressive.

Most of the Apollo programme was engineering. The science was fairly well understood. Much as it is today. (TL;DR is if you make something go "bang" in a controlled fashioned fashion with the appropriate directions, you will leave orbit. As Newton showed with a cannonball in the 1600s. (I believe there is a nod to that on one of the Voyager probes ?).

Mention of Concorde reminds me that some NASA engineers considered it's engineering a much tougher gig (bearing in mind Concorde was designed to and did fly many times). The air intakes to the engines in particular. Which I think are still classified. There are some odd bits missing of the ones I have seen in museums.

And yes - massive shout out to all the women engineers around the world inspired by the moon missions.

MissConductUS · 22/04/2023 14:23

Wallaw · 22/04/2023 14:06

I was living in Tribeca at the time. I can assure you, there were fucking planes.

Moron.

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I was working in lower Manhattan on 9/11. I watched the second plane hit.

Moron indeed.

AliceOlive · 22/04/2023 14:26

Oh geez, I took that as sarcasm because I couldn’t imagine it was earnest.

I was living in NJ during 9/11 and yeah, moronic.

Poodles23 · 22/04/2023 15:11

I also am not sure, too many anomalies for my liking!

TruthsAndALie · 22/04/2023 15:25

AliceOlive · 22/04/2023 12:30

Poor The Moon 🌝
🤣 not funny, but so funny the way you stated it.

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This reminds me of Noel Fielding in The Might Boosh 😂

notimagain · 22/04/2023 17:19

@SerendipityJane

Mention of Concorde reminds me that some NASA engineers considered it's engineering a much tougher gig (bearing in mind Concorde was designed to and did fly many times). The air intakes to the engines in particular. Which I think are still classified.

You’re right to some extent about the intakes - the details were almost literally kept under wraps for a long as possible (the Soviets were keen to get a look ) but the design and working details has been out in the public domain for decades now.