Page 15 | I don't believe we've been to the moon and SpaceXs failure further convinces me.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 2023-04-20T16:30:35+00:00

I know I've posted this before and the majority of you think I'm batty, but I don't think we've landed on the moon. 3 billion USD, a giant leap in technological advances and yet it can't even launch.

Jourdain11 · 20/04/2023 22:22

LaughingCat · 20/04/2023 22:07

This kind of thinking makes me laugh. I’ve looked at the evidence we have, interrogated it using common sense and what I know of the technological and socio-economic/geopolitical shifts over the years and concluded that, on balance, we probably went to the Moon. And then went back another five times. And now it’s too bloody expensive to keep rerunning past achievements and with what purpose? What would it achieve? I could be wrong but it doesn’t seem likely.

But sure…coming to a different conclusion must just mean I’m not as ‘intelligent’ or ‘questioning’ as you 🙄

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Um, I wasn't talking about myself, so no need to go off on one at me!

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:22

LlamasUnited · 20/04/2023 18:13

This is useful, from the institute of physics

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon#gref

This is useful

Anactor · 20/04/2023 22:27

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:10

OP I don't think your crazy for suggesting this at all. It crosses my mind too. I'm surprised so many people just believe the images shown (true or not true). To me it seems odd that we've not repeated a moon landing? Im not saying it didn't happen but isn't it odd that it's not happened again?? I think you can believe in the ISS (I do) and still not believe that the moon landing took place. Where is the evidence that it ever happened? Not sure the photos count as evidence? Im not a crack pot either. I even believe covid was real

No, it’s not odd at all. The moon landings cost a really enormous amount of money and while the moon is potentially a great resource, we can do without it. We can do a lot of really important stuff with robot/remote probes and satellites, and they’re much cheaper.

First European discovery of Australia was 1606. First European colonisation of Australia 1788. Similar sort of thing. New continent, very interesting, but more interesting and cheaper stuff to be getting on with.

Thinkingaloudcloud · 20/04/2023 22:28

People really can’t comprehend they get lied to all the time and mainstream media is the machine. It’s too much for most.

Been to NASA in Florida and the landing equipment looks like something stuck together on Blue Peter.

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:31

I think the point that many people are missing is that it's ok to question things even if there is strong evidence to suggest they are true or really happened. I think that those people ridiculing the OP are being closed minded. Those calling out 'low intelligence' come across as being insecure. I agree with someone's comment about MNers just discussing washing lines. Come on....try to have a healthy debate without the emotion and anger.

youboozeyoulose · 20/04/2023 22:37

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:31

I think the point that many people are missing is that it's ok to question things even if there is strong evidence to suggest they are true or really happened. I think that those people ridiculing the OP are being closed minded. Those calling out 'low intelligence' come across as being insecure. I agree with someone's comment about MNers just discussing washing lines. Come on....try to have a healthy debate without the emotion and anger.

Hard to have a sensible debate when a significant number of doubters are not even aware the moon landings were repeated? I mean if you are going to go out on a limb and say it didn't happen, at least do the most basic of research?That's school-kid level of awareness.

MuffinToSeeHere · 20/04/2023 22:39

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:31

I think the point that many people are missing is that it's ok to question things even if there is strong evidence to suggest they are true or really happened. I think that those people ridiculing the OP are being closed minded. Those calling out 'low intelligence' come across as being insecure. I agree with someone's comment about MNers just discussing washing lines. Come on....try to have a healthy debate without the emotion and anger.

I mean I'm all up for a sensible debate but that's not what is happening here. Numerous posters have got absolutely no knowledge of what they are discussing. Many don't even know how many times there were manned missions to the moon for goodness sake so it's hardly a discussion. It's no more than mindless parroting of nonsense.

FixTheBone · 20/04/2023 22:41

MuffinToSeeHere · 20/04/2023 22:39

I mean I'm all up for a sensible debate but that's not what is happening here. Numerous posters have got absolutely no knowledge of what they are discussing. Many don't even know how many times there were manned missions to the moon for goodness sake so it's hardly a discussion. It's no more than mindless parroting of nonsense.

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Indeed, uninformed 'theories' is how we end up with 5g activated nanobots in covid vaccines...

InWalksBarberalla · 20/04/2023 22:41

I think this thread demonstrates a lot of what is wrong in this world where everyone thinks their opinion is equally as valid as everyone else's opinion regardless of their knowledge and expertise.

notyouraverageuser · 20/04/2023 22:45

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 21:49

Sorry got distracted by life, will read through now- pleased that 24% see the truth!

This is only the tip of the truth... as you probably know.

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 22:46

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:31

I think the point that many people are missing is that it's ok to question things even if there is strong evidence to suggest they are true or really happened. I think that those people ridiculing the OP are being closed minded. Those calling out 'low intelligence' come across as being insecure. I agree with someone's comment about MNers just discussing washing lines. Come on....try to have a healthy debate without the emotion and anger.

But the people who don’t seem to believe it are posting shit like “well how come we never went back”, despite it being pointed out many times in the thread that we did go back another 5
times.

I.e. there seems to be a strong correlation between those who are plainly and obviously ignorant of even the basics of the moon landings (plural) and those that don’t believe it happened.

We also have the “the government lies to you” posters. Of course they do, nobody is disputing that, but none of those posters have even attempted to explain why governments whose interests were/are diametrically opposed to the US, and had every incentive to rubbish the landings, also happened to go along with it (and have continued to for half a century).

And not a single non-believer has attempted to explain how the reflecting panels, that remain on the moon and which lasers can and are regularly bounced off of, got there, despite the question being posed.

So while I agree that one side is steadfastly refusing to engage in a debate, it’s the side of the conspiracy theorists.

WandaWonder · 20/04/2023 22:51

Please provide actual proof we haven't

Same with all conspiracy theories, when asked for proof people can't seem to prove it

notimagain · 20/04/2023 22:54

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:31

I think the point that many people are missing is that it's ok to question things even if there is strong evidence to suggest they are true or really happened. I think that those people ridiculing the OP are being closed minded. Those calling out 'low intelligence' come across as being insecure. I agree with someone's comment about MNers just discussing washing lines. Come on....try to have a healthy debate without the emotion and anger.

It's impossible to have a genuine debate.

For example one fairly standard excuse we've had from the non-believers is that "the technology" (unspecified)" wasn't available".

When then asked to list what exact technology was lacking in the 60's that was essential to a Moon landing you get no response...

It's does seem to be as @sturnip says' - it's the conspiracy theorists that don't want actual debate or technical discussion...

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 23:03

The debate:

A: If we really went to the moon, how come we never went back?
B: We did, 5 times.
A: …..

B: If we never went to the moon, how did the reflecting panels get there?
A: ….

A: We couldn’t have gone to the moon because we didn’t have the technology back then.
B: What technology did we lack?
A: …..

A: We didn’t land on the moon because governments tell lies
B: Why would the USSR’s government have lied to say that the US beat them in the space race?
A: ….

….

A: If we really went to the moon, how come we never went back?

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 23:05

noodlezoodle · 20/04/2023 19:02

Oh I'm so embarrassed for you.

I mean seriously, what does this add to the discussion? Why post this, to shame me?

The majority of replies are like this, empty and pointless. Which is how conversation tends to go these days which is a shame.

I've been looking at the counter arguments but I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe. I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

I also don't see how modern unmanned robots of Chinese origin prove anything other than we now have the technology to put unmanned robots on the moon.

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MidgeHardcastle · 20/04/2023 23:05

Gosh it's an eye-opener that the conspiracy loons on here didn't know there had been multiple landings. How embarrassing for them.

I can 100% verify that there was a moon landing in 1969 because our school visited a college in London that was showing some moon dust collected by the astronauts. It was such a boring pile of black soot (to a 13 year old) that it couldn't have been fake. Fake would have been a lump of pulsating luminous substance with bits of glitter stuck in it.

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 23:07

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:10

OP I don't think your crazy for suggesting this at all. It crosses my mind too. I'm surprised so many people just believe the images shown (true or not true). To me it seems odd that we've not repeated a moon landing? Im not saying it didn't happen but isn't it odd that it's not happened again?? I think you can believe in the ISS (I do) and still not believe that the moon landing took place. Where is the evidence that it ever happened? Not sure the photos count as evidence? Im not a crack pot either. I even believe covid was real

It did happen again, six times.

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 23:08

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 23:05

I mean seriously, what does this add to the discussion? Why post this, to shame me?

The majority of replies are like this, empty and pointless. Which is how conversation tends to go these days which is a shame.

I've been looking at the counter arguments but I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe. I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

I also don't see how modern unmanned robots of Chinese origin prove anything other than we now have the technology to put unmanned robots on the moon.

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I've been looking at the counter arguments but I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe. I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

And do you have some sort of rational basis for this? Why do you think taking off from the moon is so implausible (particularly given it’s much weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere)?

Jourdain11 · 20/04/2023 23:16

Thinkingaloudcloud · 20/04/2023 22:28

People really can’t comprehend they get lied to all the time and mainstream media is the machine. It’s too much for most.

Been to NASA in Florida and the landing equipment looks like something stuck together on Blue Peter.

Ha, can you imagine. Getting ready for take off and, "here's one we made earlier" 😃

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 23:17

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 23:05

I mean seriously, what does this add to the discussion? Why post this, to shame me?

The majority of replies are like this, empty and pointless. Which is how conversation tends to go these days which is a shame.

I've been looking at the counter arguments but I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe. I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

I also don't see how modern unmanned robots of Chinese origin prove anything other than we now have the technology to put unmanned robots on the moon.

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Who do you think crashed and died on the moon?

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 23:17

The return of 5 times thing that people are getting a bit excited over - yes there were repeat visits but in close succession. The query I believe is focused on why not in recent history (50 years) has there not been a return? I think people are too focused on tripping others up to focus on the real question here. Was it really about money? Was it really about no real need? Risk? Really? Why only the US?

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 23:20

aNewYorkerInLondon · 20/04/2023 21:03

@MrsRobinsonsHandprints

The technology back then was different to what they're building now. This enormous space-x rocket is going to be the start of a new space age where we will hopefully be able to go much further than before with the old technology.

It's sort of like saying that ships couldn't have crossed the Atlantic in 1858 because Titanic sank in 1912. Titanic was an attempt at new technology that failed when circumstances challenged it.

The main difference is that this was an experimental launch, unmanned. No lives were lost. This was, inherently, a test. It did better than many thought it would. Getting off the pad was a success.

I work in tech and I promise you that all new technology fails multiple times before it ever works.

Whilst I still don't believe (honeslty it is akin to God for me, completely and utterly unbelievable) thank you for posting an alternative view point.

As for Wallace and Gromit of course they went to the moon.

Also some posters have made me laugh (in a good way)

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MuffinToSeeHere · 20/04/2023 23:20

I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

So you would believe we travelled to the moon if people had died and never returned but you don't believe it happened because we did it repeatedly and astronauts survived the journey and returned home to physically talk about it...

This is not a reasoned argument how can you possibly rationalise that...

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 23:25

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 23:05

I mean seriously, what does this add to the discussion? Why post this, to shame me?

The majority of replies are like this, empty and pointless. Which is how conversation tends to go these days which is a shame.

I've been looking at the counter arguments but I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe. I agree with a pp, if they had crashed and died on the moon maybe, but to take off and return again...nah.

I also don't see how modern unmanned robots of Chinese origin prove anything other than we now have the technology to put unmanned robots on the moon.

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Your original hypothesis was that the SpaceX test flight proved moon landings were impossible. But at the same time you acknowledge we have the technology to land on the moon.

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 23:26

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 23:17

The return of 5 times thing that people are getting a bit excited over - yes there were repeat visits but in close succession. The query I believe is focused on why not in recent history (50 years) has there not been a return? I think people are too focused on tripping others up to focus on the real question here. Was it really about money? Was it really about no real need? Risk? Really? Why only the US?

The US had won the space race.

For a long time, only a handful of countries had anything like the resources that needed and, in the absence of a particular reason for returning and the massive expense associated (meaning very little public support), there’s never been a great deal of incentive for any further missions.

Instead, we’ve had the establishment of the ISS (which is really a far more difficult achievement) and probes/rovers on Mars…because why expend time and money doing the same thing over and over again (particularly a trip to a largely unremarkable rock) when there are so many other, new, different and more useful things to achieve?

And if they were all just faked…why not just keep faking them?