Page 14 | I don't believe we've been to the moon and SpaceXs failure further convinces me.

nauticant · 20/04/2023 21:52

Apparently China built a Great Wall. But then a thousand years later the US tried to build one and failed. Therefore the ancient Chinese couldn't have built their Great Wall.

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 21:52

mainsfed · 20/04/2023 21:47

I kind of get what you mean, OP. It is somewhat incredible that there have been so many technical advances in the last few decades, and yet we have not been able to return to the moon since the 1960s!

But then I think if we can make it into the atmosphere then getting to the moon isn’‘t that much of a stretch.

That’s may layman’s view 🤣

It's not that we haven't been able to, it's that we couldn't justify doing it.

BungalowLil · 20/04/2023 21:53

katepilar They actually have the names of all the Titanic passengers and crew right down to the band members. Their loved ones saw them onto the ship and waved them off at Southampton. If they didn't drown, where did they all go? Are the poor folk that didn't return to their families somehow in on the conspiracy? My grandfather was involved in the Titanic launch and watched her set sail in 1912. He talked about it all his life and even appeared in a TV documentary on the subject.

Thearex · 20/04/2023 21:54

If anyone is genuinely interested in the Space Race, Jodrell Bank Observatory is a good day out. They received some of the 'alleged' pings from the moon surface reflectors. It is fascinating. Even if space isn't your thing the gardens and cafe are nice!

The industry is so notoriously secretive, all employees will have signed various NDAs, so to be fair, there isn't a huge amount of technical info out there- especially in this new age of corporate development.

RoseslnTheHospital · 20/04/2023 21:54

@AliceOlive I'm saying that of course they would and do lie to us, about all kinds of things. BJ being a prime example where pretty much every thing he said was untrue.

What I'm saying is that it is not possible for a succession of different governments across decades of political change to have maintained a successful lie of this scale. When not just governments could manage to debunk it, but other organisations and even private individuals with enough money and scientific endeavour. You give world leaders far too much credit to think they could manage to maintain such a grand scale illusion for over 50 years.

BungalowLil · 20/04/2023 21:56

It wouldn't just be 50 years worth of world leaders who would need to lie to us, but all the world's media, academics, scientists and everyone who was in any way involved in the project and their families through the years.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/04/2023 21:57

Switchwitch · 20/04/2023 18:27

One of the reasons we haven't been back to the moon is that nasa were crap with knowledge exchange within the organization. Their key engineers retired and they literally lost decades of knowledge. The younger engineers had no idea how the older tech worked or how to replicate it with newer tech. On paper, it sounds like a simple problem to solve but it scuppered their progress.

Interesting. I had thought this is may be the case.

DuckBushCityLimit · 20/04/2023 21:58

If they had faked the Apollo 11 photos they would have taken more of Neil Armstrong. There are hardly any pictures of him on the moon because he was the one holding the camera the majority of the time.

Sturnip · 20/04/2023 21:58

For all the ‘well why haven’t we gone back [after the first 6 times] given all the advances in technology?” numbskulls.

If it was all faked, why wouldn’t they just fake it again, given all the advances in technology?

EveryWitchWaybutLoose · 20/04/2023 21:59

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 17:30

I know I've posted this before and the majority of you think I'm batty, but I don't think we've landed on the moon.

3 billion USD, a giant leap in technological advances and yet it can't even launch.

I can never understand the self-importance of someone who thinks like this. But you can’t argue with stupid, I suppose.

Nimbostratus100 · 20/04/2023 21:59

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 20/04/2023 21:49

Sorry got distracted by life, will read through now- pleased that 24% see the truth!

24% of the 5% that didnt just roll their eyes and pass over the thread, and that 24% will include people just on the wind up!

maras2 · 20/04/2023 22:00

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FixTheBone · 20/04/2023 22:02

mainsfed · 20/04/2023 21:48

I’m glad Spacex is a failure, Elon Musk is a twat. Feed the world my arse, he’s pissing money up the wall.

Sigh.... so much ignorance (apart from musk being a bit of a twat....)

SpaceX isn't a failure. This rocket exploding was almost expected, most people are impressed it got as far as it did on its first attempt. SpaceXs development model is almost the exact opposite of the conventional 'plan and invest to the nth degree at huge expense' instead they design cheap, test, focus on data collection and analysis, redesign, re-test based on the data.

'Pissing money up the wall' is a good thing. Two options are - he keeps it all to himself, or, he spends it and other people benefit. The uninitiated concept that the $billions are loaded in the equivalent of gold bullion or banknotes onto the rocket and shot into space is ridiculous.

ShowUs · 20/04/2023 22:03

If America faked it, why would all of the other countries help them to hide it?

Every country wanted to be the first to get to the moon and if there was the tiniest bit of doubt that the US actually did it, they would be doing everything they can to prove they faked it.

KimberleyClark · 20/04/2023 22:07

DuckBushCityLimit · 20/04/2023 21:58

If they had faked the Apollo 11 photos they would have taken more of Neil Armstrong. There are hardly any pictures of him on the moon because he was the one holding the camera the majority of the time.

I read that as Armstrong was going to be the first to step on the moon, they decided Aldrin would be the only one to have his photo taken on the moon. To even things out a bit.

LaughingCat · 20/04/2023 22:07

Jourdain11 · 20/04/2023 21:33

Yeah, people who don't question things obviously have no capacity for original thought!!

This kind of thinking makes me laugh. I’ve looked at the evidence we have, interrogated it using common sense and what I know of the technological and socio-economic/geopolitical shifts over the years and concluded that, on balance, we probably went to the Moon. And then went back another five times. And now it’s too bloody expensive to keep rerunning past achievements and with what purpose? What would it achieve? I could be wrong but it doesn’t seem likely.

But sure…coming to a different conclusion must just mean I’m not as ‘intelligent’ or ‘questioning’ as you 🙄

Mrstwiddle · 20/04/2023 22:09

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/conspiracy-thinking-25-europeans-say-moon-landing-never-happened

Conspiracy thinking: 25% of Europeans say the moon landing never happened

Here’s a quick test: Did man land on the moon in 1969? Or was it a TV studio hoax? Spoiler alert: Of course, the landing really happened. But don’t try telling that to the 25% of Europeans surveyed by the TRESCA EU research project on misinformation. W...

https://sciencebusiness.net/news/conspiracy-thinking-25-europeans-say-moon-landing-never-happened

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:10

OP I don't think your crazy for suggesting this at all. It crosses my mind too. I'm surprised so many people just believe the images shown (true or not true). To me it seems odd that we've not repeated a moon landing? Im not saying it didn't happen but isn't it odd that it's not happened again?? I think you can believe in the ISS (I do) and still not believe that the moon landing took place. Where is the evidence that it ever happened? Not sure the photos count as evidence? Im not a crack pot either. I even believe covid was real

beenwhereyouare · 20/04/2023 22:13

Glenn? Is that you? It's beenwhereyouare from 10th grade biology class- you remember, it was 1976 and you sat behind me?

beenwhereyouare · 20/04/2023 22:14

Daftasabroom · 20/04/2023 21:29

I quite like the image of a massive rocket sized spliff gently chilling out on the launch pad.

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MuffinToSeeHere · 20/04/2023 22:15

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:10

OP I don't think your crazy for suggesting this at all. It crosses my mind too. I'm surprised so many people just believe the images shown (true or not true). To me it seems odd that we've not repeated a moon landing? Im not saying it didn't happen but isn't it odd that it's not happened again?? I think you can believe in the ISS (I do) and still not believe that the moon landing took place. Where is the evidence that it ever happened? Not sure the photos count as evidence? Im not a crack pot either. I even believe covid was real

It was repeated 5 more times, 6 In total. Do you want to waste money repeating it every 10 years or so just to show we still can? There are no benefits currently to going back, if that changes then of course more people will go and walk on the moon but it's illogical to say it's not real simply because we've not do it again.

Also I do think it's odd people believe the ISS is real and true and the moon landings are not. Why would you believe one and not the other logically speaking you've seen neither so why does one seem more probable then the other.

Nimbostratus100 · 20/04/2023 22:18

Woodywoodpeckerharrison · 20/04/2023 22:10

OP I don't think your crazy for suggesting this at all. It crosses my mind too. I'm surprised so many people just believe the images shown (true or not true). To me it seems odd that we've not repeated a moon landing? Im not saying it didn't happen but isn't it odd that it's not happened again?? I think you can believe in the ISS (I do) and still not believe that the moon landing took place. Where is the evidence that it ever happened? Not sure the photos count as evidence? Im not a crack pot either. I even believe covid was real

why would we "repeat the moon landings"? what for- it was far more dangerous than anticipated, the dust on the moon is absolutely lethal, and will cut your lungs to shreds if you accidently carry any back into your module.

Going to the moon taught us exactly where not to go in future.

and there are robots on the moon as we speak - just not people.

AliceOlive · 20/04/2023 22:20

RoseslnTheHospital · 20/04/2023 21:54

@AliceOlive I'm saying that of course they would and do lie to us, about all kinds of things. BJ being a prime example where pretty much every thing he said was untrue.

What I'm saying is that it is not possible for a succession of different governments across decades of political change to have maintained a successful lie of this scale. When not just governments could manage to debunk it, but other organisations and even private individuals with enough money and scientific endeavour. You give world leaders far too much credit to think they could manage to maintain such a grand scale illusion for over 50 years.

I’m not saying I think this is what happened, but I do not discount anything.

The balance of power and our cultures have shifted a great deal over this time.

I don’t think I would know what people in other countries believe, anyway. A friend from another country told me they taught him in school that Johnson and the CIA killed Kennedy and that where he was from, that was considered a well-known fact. Not something I had every heard, growing up in the US except from one, rather well connected, person.

AliceOlive · 20/04/2023 22:21

Also @RoseslnTheHospital Covid. That is all.

Catuscatish · 20/04/2023 22:22

RoseslnTheHospital · 20/04/2023 21:49

@mainsfed we have been able to, ever since it was achieved. We haven't lost the capacity or ability. We have lost the political will, the public interest, the scientific interest, the funding. Not the technological capability.

Quite so Rosesinthehospital

And for the doubters I recommend Kevin Fong's excellent podcast 13 minutes to the moon.

Rather than conspirators stating how the moon landing must be faked and sneering at the ingenuity, engineering and sheer hard work of the incredibly dedicated people who achieved it, perhaps instead they could listen and learn and then celebrate that achievement made even despite challenges the people involved faced. Instead of the staggering arrogance shown by some here because their smart phone makes them oh so clever.

Mind you I suppose if you lack the intelligence and ambition to even imagine a project like the moon landing happening, then it probably is just easier to piss all over the achievements of others, despite the clear fact a deception of that scale could NEVER be kept secret. Nobody selling a tell all tale for thousands, no death bed confessions? Yeah the idea that it is a conspiracy is clearly utterly ludicrous . I mean Matt Hancock couldn't even keep a song and an arse grope secret.

Although I agree with a previous poster, given the average level of thought by some on this thread, it's hard to conceive that mankind had achieved much.